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Okay here it is, a CRAZY idea.

I was pondering cause I am bored and got to thinking. A bullet made out of ice. (you say that's impossible or just not practical, it'll melt right???) So instead I thought of actually a bullet that's incased in ice. Follow me here for a second. I know how stupid this sounds and trust me I feel kinda dumb talking about it but I want to see what everyone else thinks or what they might have to say about how to make this actually work/practical.

I was thinking about how it would be possible and came up with this kinda outlandish but not impossible idea. The idea is kinda one that is formed around reducing/eliminating the rifling on the bullet but allowing the bullet to get the effects (accuracy and greater distance) of the rifling in the barrel. I know this just sounds straight dumb and quite criminal to be honest, but I assure you it more of an entertainment thing than anything else.

With that said: here's how I thought it up.

You make a mold (let's go with a .45) to make the ice bullet in and of course you add water, now you'd find a way to take a .22 LR bullet and place it into the water to be frozen (with the tip of the .22 being the tip for the .45 ice bullet) now the hard part, loading it into a casing. this is going to take a really cold cold COLD (like below zero cold) room to do this in as to not melt the bullet. of course you'd need tong like tools as to not touch the bullet and melt it with your body heat. Also you'd need all the load/reloading tools too.

So let's say you've constructed and loaded the bullet... Now comes the even harder/impossible part... Loading them into you firearm and using them before they melt. That's going to take some kind of miniture (and I mean miniature freezing compartment that's portable.)

Now okay I am going to admit that it's a really friggin impractical idea but it's one that makes you think, and think kinda hard, about how it could be made possible. So what do you all think what are some of you ideas on this.

Please be polite about this and also entertain us simple minded folk LoL. :neener:

Oh one last thing, don't be shy to add to the idea and or change some of the componenets. I had someone actually say use a different material than ice.

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I suspect on ignition the hot gasses would melt the ice, massive blow by would occur and the .22 bullet would have little or no effect, on your intended target.
You might consider a bullet of dry ice with a gas check. All components would have to be kept at around 20 degrees F. til used.
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Interesting. Have you considered making an entire weapon of ice?
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That's rhetorical LoL. But no I haven't.

I suspect on ignition the hot gasses would melt the ice, massive blow by would occur and the .22 bullet would have little or no effect, on your intended target.
You might consider a bullet of dry ice with a gas check. All components would have to be kept at around 20 degrees F. til used.
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I kinda thought the same thing but wasn't sure if that actually might be the case that the ice would immediatly melt or shatter, or if it would at least make it out of the barrel before releasing the actual bullet. So you could be right. Also the Dry Ice is a very good idea that is a point of interest.
 
It sounds to me like you are trying to recreate a sabot round, but with ice. very interesting. but i think that even if the ice doesn't melt as soon as you touch off a round, it would still just shatter from the sudden acceleration and friction.
Perhaps it would need some kind of buffer under it, like how you have a shotgun shell. That might protect it from gases and some of the other issues.
 
Its probably possible if you used compressed air or CO2 as propellant. Super cool the barrel with dry ice. I'd bet an interesting drop table having to take into account temp, rel humidity, and barrel temp. If I lived north of Barrow I'd probably look into it.
 
Yep....MythBusters.
HOWEVER.....the first time I saw this mentioned was in a old old Charlie Chan movie. The victim was shot, but no bullet could be found. Charlie figured out that it was an ice bullet.
I think CSI recently used a frozen blood bullet.
 
Simple test would be to cutdown a shotgun shell leaving the wad/cup in place.
Load it with a ice cube and shoot it.
Just drop the ice cube down the barrel before firing. Not safe, but I bet it would work.
 
the crystalline water ice cant take the shock of acceleration to any appreciable velocity.

People short on science and physics education are never short on ideas.

This idea is done to death.
 
The density of ice is even less than than the density of water, which is way less than the density of lead. If you could even get it down the barrel, once it hit the air it would probably turn into a spray or mist than would only cloud your objective and look momentarily something like white smoke.

Might be a heck of a show as compared to a water gun.

Ed
 
An easier method would be to use a paper wrap around the bullet. Take a .40 caliber bullet and wrap it to load in a .45 shell. That would give you acceptable accuracy for close range and leave no rifling on the projectile. There are even paper patched bullet molds if you want to pour your own.

The easiest solution is to buy a .45LC / .410 convertible pistol and shoot .410 shotgun shells; if you want a non traceable concealable weapon.
 
I think CSI recently used a frozen blood bullet.
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I think it was a frozen meat bullet, wasn't it? But, if the info on the CSI site is correct, Mythbusters debunked the meat bullet as well in episode #1.
 
A bullet made of IMHO would shatter simply from the forces of ignition, resulting in lots of shattered ice, water, wet powder and flame coming out of the barrel as well as a gun with wet innards.

Gas checked? THe shattered ice would stay together in the barrel until it left the muzzle, then water and pieces of ice would go everywhere, leaving you again with a wet gun.

Pressures? I dunno, which is why I'd NEVER try this on a dare.
 
This reminds me of an English "who-dunnit" movie where the perp used a bullet of "dry-ice"....When the body was discovered, they found the wound, but no bullet....BTW, he got off scott-free, and using the rule of Double Jeopardy, told the authorities how he pulled it off...Fascinating...:)
 
I thought of ice once, then I thought of wax.

Close range for sure. Just the gas and debris would be effective.

I can't remember the actor's name, but a good while back he pointed a 44 loaded with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger. Poor decision, it didn't work out too well.
 
Okay one it's is not illegal to find way s of not having rifling on ones bullets, so henceforth i'm not even advocating anything against the law. Secondly I already told you it was merely an idea that I was more along the lines of... well here let me quote myself

I know this just sounds straight dumb and quite criminal to be honest, but I assure you it more of an entertainment thing than anything else.
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So please read closely before you start pointing a finger. Thank you. Also I still do appreciate the input highorder, I know that you and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but your imput is always welcome my friend. Thirdly there are some good reason to avoid putting rifling on a bullet. RELOADING. I know that my 1911 carves some pretty good groves into my bullets and I know of some that reload already shot rounds back into casing. Now I know what some are thinking here. bullets fragment upon impact... Not always so true. I have seen bullet, that I have personnally shot into a 5gal plaster bucket full of sand that didn't even flinch with the exception of the rifling on them.

Okay now here's a question (a noob one at that) what the heck is a "gas check?"

An easier method would be to use a paper wrap around the bullet.
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A/C Guy I thought about this and read up on this a lil bit. The paper is a good idea but it doesn't always eliminate the rifling. But still thanks for the input.

I can't remember the actor's name, but a good while back he pointed a 44 loaded with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger. Poor decision, it didn't work out too well.
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:banghead: nuff said LoL.
 
I think they did this one on Quincy didn't they?


I can't remember the actor's name, but a good while back he pointed a 44 loaded with blanks to his head and pulled the trigger. Poor decision, it didn't work out too well.
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Jon-Erik Hexum
 
Secondly I already told you it was merely an idea that I was more along the lines of... well here let me quote myself


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I know this just sounds straight dumb and quite criminal to be honest,
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What do you mean we don't see eye to eye? :)


Thirdly there are some good reason to avoid putting rifling on a bullet. RELOADING.
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That is one reason, and a not a good one.

Reloading used fired bullets is a BAD idea.

Fired bullets may look ok, but likely are impreceptably out-of-round. Concentricity and cylindricity, are important physical aspects, not to be ignored.

If you want to save money, cast lead, shoot it, recover and recast it.

Okay now here's a question (a noob one at that) what the heck is a "gas check?"
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Lastly, this was the second entry in a google search:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gas_check
 
Actually...

There was an old movie, along the lines of a Sherlock Holmes with Basil Rathbone as Sherlock, where the killer used a bullet made of ice. Only left water in the wound. That is probably where this idea came from. Another movie had killer using a knife made of ice. To hide it, it was put into a clear pitcher of water where it melted. No mention of blood on the ice-dagger, though.

Yes, the ice idea is a cool one, but it melts under scrutiny, and has been discussed here before in a now cold thread. :rolleyes:

The Doc is out now. (because I can't think of any more puns) :cool::neener:
 
There was also a movie with Keenan Ivory Wayans that used this idea. I can't remember the name of the movie at the moment, though.
 
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