Collectors license of curio and relics

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Been trying to find out about this license. Does anyone here have onbe of these liceses? Wonder howmuch they cost? The regular
FFL license is around $200 if I saw right. I don't think I want a busuness license but the curio and relic collectors license mightbe of more use to me. Does anyone know much abouty this license? I would be dealing mainly with Black Powder weapons and replica's.
Paul
 
Thanks for the info. Looks like it about covers my question. The Virginia Citizens Defense zLeague looks like a great organization.Wish we had your organization here in the state of Washington. I think we are being overrun by anti gun legislation here.
Paul
 
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The Virginia Citizens Defense zLeague looks like a great organization.Wish we had your organization here in the state of Washington. I think we are being overrun by anti gun legislation here.
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We have both the Second Amendment Foundation based in WA and also the WAC which keeps members informed of legislation and marshalls action. They are both effective and active.

I do not believe there has been any actual anti-gun legislation passed in this state in ages and ages. There are three or four lib-**** state reps. who propose stupid things every year or two, and they are immediately tabled and ignored. WA has one of the MOST liberal concealed license issue policies. So liberal, many other states won't recognize it because they think it's too liberal. WA has also had this "shall issue" policy almost 50 years - considerably longer than most all other states.

WA has some of the most gun-friendly laws in the country and committed groups protecting them.
 
Oro I have been snarled up with the new expanded law where things have been lumped into existing laws. Don't look that great to me. For instance including Black Powder weapons into the gun laws requiring that those weapons be shipped by FFL instead of to the person buying, also to buy any black powder arms you must have a concealed carry permit to buy in the state of Washington. Don't sound like these are great laws and they got slipped in under our very noses. Where was everyone when this happened. I wasn't even into guns back when they sneaked this in.
Also what is the links to these gun organizations you mentioned...guess I could do a search..not that lazy, huh?
Paul
 
I highly recommend getting a C&R. Since getting mine I've had to delivered to my front door:

-M1 Garand
-M1 Carbine
-3 Mosins
-Yugo SKS
-CZ-82
-TT-33

...and more to come.

Can you imagine paying a transfer fee for every one of those firearms? :eek:
 
While I don't think the black powder rules are necessary, that's a far cry from being "overrun" with legislation like you said in your second post. I was trying to put things in perspective as you had seemd to grossly over-state the status of gun legislation in WA.

Also what is the links to these gun organizations you mentioned...guess I could do a search..not that lazy, huh?
Paul
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Yep, just search on those names. If you want to get more information about how the legal changes for those weapons came about, I'd start with the blackpowder association and get some history about it. They are at:

http://www.wamuzzleloaders.org/
 
For instance including Black Powder weapons into the gun laws requiring that those weapons be shipped by FFL instead of to the person buying, also to buy any black powder arms you must have a concealed carry permit to buy in the state of Washington.
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Paulwa,
Can you point me to the RCW that says this?
 
$30 for three years in Oregon. Takes several weeks after you fill out the paperwork.
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$30 everywhere, that is the Federal fee. Some areas my add on, I'm not sure about that. The 'several weeks' thing depends. It took me 34 days, and I know of one guy whom it only took 8 business days.

C&R is great, but there is a caveat:

Normally, you can order a C&R forearm straight to your door. However, the usual suspects (Maryland, NJ, NY, Kali, etc) add other rules to obtaining your purchase, including having to have it shipped through a regular FFL:rolleyes:

Some examples from the AIMSurplus site:
CALIFORNIA CUSTOMERS: Handgun sales only to "01" Dealer FFL, handguns must be on the California approved list however &R Handguns can be shipped to 01 Dealers. No High Capacity magazine sales, No Assault Weapon sales. C&R Licensees may purchase C&R rifles only if made prior to 1955 regardless if the rifle appears on the federal C&R list. All CA Dealers must give us their CFD# before ordering. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

ILLINOIS CUSTOMERS: No Firearms sales to Chicago, Nor all of Cooke County. C&R 03 Licensees may purchase C&R Eligible firearms, however Illinois FOID card must be on file. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

MASSACHUSETTS CUSTOMERS: 01 FFL Dealers may purchase handguns that are on the MA approved for sale list, rifles without high capacity magazines. No C&R firearms sales. No high capacity magazine sales to anyone or dealer in MA. No Ammunition Sales.

MARYLAND CUSTOMERS: No modern handgun sales to anyone including 01 FFL Dealers. No High Capacity Magazines sales of magazines that accept more than 20 rounds. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

NEW JERSEY CUSTOMERS: No Sales of CETME Rifles. Firearms sales only to 01 FFL Dealer licensees. Absolutely no Handgun sales to C&R 03 licensees. No High Capacity Magazine Sales. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

NEW YORK CUSTOMERS: Only C&R eligible handguns will be shipped to 01 FFL Dealers and these handgun orders must be accompanied by a State Handgun Dealers License. C&R eligible rifles may be sold to 03 C&R licensees. No Sales of High Capacity magazines manufactured 09/14/1994 or after. No Sales to NY City. Check for other Local & State laws before ordering.

WASHINGTON DC CUSTOMERS: No Sales of any products.

CONNECTICUTT: No Sales of WASR, CETME Rifles, or FAL Rifles.
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Deadin I was quoted that by a Cabela's guy onthe 1-800 number. He looked it up. I didn't get the RCW info. But he was very adamant on not shipping to me. And why should we have to have a Concealed carry permit to buy a gun?
Paul
 
Paulwa,
The guy at Cabela's was either stating Cabela policy or he was spouting BS.
If it's Cabela policy, you just will have to go somewhere else.

RCW 9.41.010(8) defines BP replicas as Antiques

9.41.010. Terms defined Unless the context
clearly requires otherwise, the definitions in this
section apply throughout this chapter.
(8) "Antique firearm" means a firearm or replica
of a firearm not designed or redesigned for
using rim fire or conventional center fire ignition
with fixed ammunition and manufactured in or
before 1898, including any matchlock, flintlock,
percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system
and also any firearm using fixed ammunition
manufactured in or before 1898, for which ammunition
is no longer manufactured in the United
States and is not readily available in the ordinary
channels of commercial trade.
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RCW 9.41.090 defines what a dealer must do to release a handgun to a buyer.
(This is where the CCW is mentioned) However Section (7) of this regulation states that it does NOT apply to antiques.

9.41.090. Dealer deliveries regulated - Hold
on delivery
(1) In addition to the other requirements of
this chapter, no dealer may deliver a pistol to the
purchaser thereof until:
(a) The purchaser produces a valid concealed
pistol license and the dealer has recorded the
purchaser's name, license number, and issuing
agency, such record to be made in triplicate and
processed as provided in subsection (5) of this
section. For purposes of this subsection (1)(a), a
"valid concealed pistol license" does not include
a temporary emergency license, and does not
include any license issued before July 1, 1996,
unless the issuing agency conducted a records
search for disqualifying crimes under RCW
9.41.070 at the time of issuance;
(7) This section does not apply to sales to
licensed dealers for resale or to the sale of
antique firearms.
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In addition, the US Post Office has similar wording in their rules that allow antique firearms (long and short) to be mailed directly to a buyer as long as there are no local laws that prohibit it.
 
Just got my application yesterday and they included a booklet of listed guns. But I don't think it covered everything. Didn't find my 1894 .22 long winchester pump on the list of legals. Nor my 69a Winchester bolt action .22...I think it is 69a.

Also I am still confused as to whether blackpowder modern manufacture replica pistols (firing models) are on the legal list or whether they are to be excluded from legal buying on the license. They are not on the list.
Paul
 
Unless there has been some drastic change I don't believe that black powder arms and black powder replica arms need to go through any licensed dealer. Are you shure the Cabelas person wasn't thinking of Washington DC maybe. I think the only restriction for purchase is person must be 18 yr old.
 
Hope you are right TCOV, I don't think I will be getting the curios and relics license maybe. I may get the concealed carry permit though.
Paul
 
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