Colorado deer draw is posted

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Okay dude, I gotta say... you're good.

I checked the site less than an hour ago and it hadn't posted!

Another sweet draw!!!
I'll be hunting in my choice spot, in the blackpowder season, with an either sex elk tag, and I'll also have a buck tag in my pocket!! I can almost shoot anything that moves.:D

I've been waiting years to draw both elk and deer, muzzleloader tags for this same game unit. Finally got it done because of the new management structure!
 
I've been checking pretty religiously since the backdoor draw was up on Tuesday.
Pretty stoked for this year with a really good 3rd season deer tag, and a muzzy bull tag in neighboring units. Should make the scouting a little easier that way.
Still got Nevada deer and Wyoming and Colorado antelope that I'm waiting on for this year, but the Colorado elk and deer tags might make my year.
 
Could you guys explain how this works to someone who's never hunted or even been out west? I tried to make sense of the DOW site but got lost among all the preference points, landowner preference, management areas etc.
 
sure, go here:
http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Elk/Nonresidents-Guide-to-Western-Hunting-02081010.html
I wrote that for guys like you.
Everything varies by state, but let's talk Colorado:
First deer tags are limited in every GMU (Game Management Unit), so there is essentially a lottery to see who gets to go. In Colorado, if you do not draw your first choice, you get a preference point for next year. The person with the most points gets the tags first. For example, if a unit has 100 tags available and 5 people but in with 3 preference points, 50 with 2 points, and 100 with 1 point, the guys with 2 and 3 points are guaranteed the tag. The guys with 1 point then get randomly selected in the lottery until the tags are all gone. Some areas do not draw out, and those go to leftovers.
The tag quota distribution works like this for most units: 65% to residents, 35% to nonresidents and 15% of the resident quota goes to landowner with over 160 acres.
It's not rocket science but it is a foreign language.
Anyway, the application period ends the first week of April every year, and right now the drawing is being conducted. There will now be a leftover draw to soak a couple of the remaining units that did not draw, then August 10th will be leftover day, when you can buy the tag first come first served.
Elk tags in Colorado work the same way, but 2 of the 4 regular rifle seasons and the archery season have unlimited over the counter bull tags for about half the units in Western Colorado (only half of Colorado is mountainous or canyon country, the eastern half is all plains).
Any other questions? Don't be shy
 
Is there a good reason for draws?

I much prefer the Alabama method where you just go out in the woods and shoot a deer every day of the open season...
 
Yes there's a good reason for draws. Prior to 1999, most deer units were over the counter. Bucks were blasted into oblivion and no one was happy. In Alabama you have much more private land, so people can manage deer in their own area however they see fit. And you have much more deer.
Because half the state is public land, the bucks were decimated in some areas to the point where there were single digit bucks per 100 does.
People wanted older bucks, and the only way to do that is to limit access to them. Some areas are managed for "maximum opportunity", where the buck sex ratio is managed for about 20:100, others are managed for "quality" where the hunter pressure is kept low and bucks are managed for about 40:100.
Also, this state counts on nonresident hunting fees, and if nonresidents don't feel they have a shot at an older buck, they aren't coming out here, paying $350 for a tag, staying in our motels, buying our gas and groceries. They'll just apply for New Mexico or Montana or Wyoming or Utah or Arizona or Nevada or California or Oregon, which does limit their buck hunting for the most part. Half of California and Oregon, and most of Washington to not limit their nonresident buck hunting opportunities, and therefore the trophy quality stinks. Idaho is one of the few places where you can get over the counter tags as a nonresident and have good deer hunting. There is a cap, but it almost never is hit. And they do limit the general tag so that people cannot all pile into the trophy areas very easily. Montana and Wyoming have general tags for residents, but those states are large, with very few people in them. Colorado has several times the popluation of Wyoming, but is roughly the same size, therefore the herd cannot withstand the pressure as easily here.
Due to this form of management, you do have a realistic opportunity in much of the state to harvest a mature animal.
 
Sweet tag man!
If you've got the patience for it, try your dangdest to hold out for an older buck. I was doing some population modeling the other day, and about 52% of the bucks in that unit should be over 3.5, and nearly 18% should be 5.5 and up. Part of that is because of the winterkill a few years ago making it so there isn't many younger bucks growing up in that unit, but still, there's good bucks to be had there. And that's a sweet season.
Congrats!
 
Why do we have so much more deer? I have no problem killing a good size trophy every year.

We have a lot of public hunting land. As far as I am aware, private land hunters have to follow state hunting laws.
 
Because you don't have winterkill and seasonal ranges in the south. Your soils are more productive too. You have numerous farms and emergency winter food sources. Deer have to compete with elk and cattle for limited resources and the occasional severe winter with just sagebrush or mountain mahogany. It takes a while to build the herds back, and then there comes another nasty winter. For instance unit 44, which is a trophy managed unit in Colorado had over 10,000 deer just a few years ago. Now there's about 1,800. 80% of the deer were wiped out in one winter.
That's why hunter numbers have to be managed, and altered yearly. If the DOW let the same number of hunters in as they did when there were 10,000 deer this year, they'd ruin the herd.
 
Looking at the stats it seems the ability of the eastern states to support deer populations is unreal compared to out west. According to the DNR site a hunter could take up to 8 deer in my county last year if they filled their archery (2) muzzle-loader (1) and firearm (1) tags plus were able to max out on bonus antler-less deer (4). Of course I'm sure that's almost never done, but add to that state park culls, military range hunts, farmers with depredation permits, the unlimited urban deer zones and the number HBB (Harvested By Buick) :D it seems there's no shortage of deer here.

exbiologist, thanks for all the info. One other question: you touched on winter kills and the overall ability of the land to support herds, but do you have any info on the effect of predation on the herds in CO or western states in general. Back east here I would guess coyotes and feral dogs might take some sick or old animals but I would guess it's minimal. Any idea what effect mountain lions and bears have on the herds?
 
I've seen some studies that tried to quantify the effects of lions and coyotes, but it's tough to put a good number on them. It's also somewhat dependent on the habitat. Various studies I've seen shows that you have to spend huge amounts in predator control to show any small increase in recruitment and survival. That means, yes predators have an effect, but to prevent it, you'd have to spend millions in aerial shooting, trapping, poisons, etc. Certainly lions eat primarily deer, coyotes eat mostly young deer and then catch some deer when there's snow on the ground.
While it's difficult to say exactly how many fawns and adults a lion or coyote will eat that wouldn't have died anyway, what can be quanitified is a typical fawn:doe ratio in the west versus east. It's not uncommon for good farm country to support about 100-120 fawns:100 does. In south texas where I did my Master's thesis, it was more like 60ish100 in unsupplemented areas, and around 100 in supplemented (food plots, protein feed, etc). In the west, a down year will have 30:100 does, a good year 60:100, maybe 70:100. So not ony do they have lower fawn survival in the west, deer are much more dependent on good weather. Out here, it's rare for a year to be "normal". Averages are just a mean between good and bad years. There rarely seems to be a year when we get around average spring rains, summer temps and rains, then winter snows. Often it will be a nice mild winter, followed by a drought summer. Or a cool, wet summer (good for forb growth), followed by a disastrous winter. Never seem to get a warm, wet spring, cool, wet summer and a mild, dry winter to really kickstart a population.
In another part of Colorado, unit 40, the Glade Park herd, south of Grand Junction, there has been essentially no doe hunting for 20 years and the population has hardly budged. A combination of habitat factors, predators and weather just won't let up on them. That herd hasn't hit objective in 30 years and is presently about 50% of what carrying capacity would dictate.
I love mule deer, but they sure are sensitive little bastiges.
 
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cbag said:
Looking at the stats it seems the ability of the eastern states to support deer populations is unreal compared to out west. According to the DNR site a hunter could take up to 8 deer in my county last year

In Alabama, you can harvest 3 bucks and 30 does in the regular season from Nov. 21st thru Jan. 31st - of course you could add to that if you included archery and muzzle loading season.

Before 2007, you could harvest a buck a day for 30 days...
 
Got my cow tag! :) ...but another year without a doe tag. :( I even put in for a buck if I didn't draw a doe, and no luck. I see (tasty looking) deer on my hunt every year, so they must just be below objective in my unit.
 
Back east here I would guess coyotes and feral dogs might take some sick or old animals but I would guess it's minimal. Any idea what effect mountain lions and bears have on the herds?

Some, but not that much. It's mostly environmental conditions and disease (like CWD) that keep the numbers down. Cats mostly prey on deer, but there ain't that many cats. The bears really don't, except for scavenging, and coyotes aren't a huge threat either, sticking mostly to smaller critters like rabbits and praire dogs. Mulies can be pretty darn big; a 30-50 pound coyote isn't gonna fair real well against a healthy 200+ pound deer, nor can they run as fast. They'll certainly gobble up whatever the hunters leave behind, though, as well as what you're taking home, if you don't get it high enough.

On a personal note, I despise coyotes. Any on my property are promptly dispatched.
 
The following is a list of Colorado rifle deer units with unfilled tag quotas. These must still pass through the leftover draw process to make it to leftovers. However, very few people take advantage of the leftover draw, and so most of this list should make it to leftovers.
Units 7/8 4th season
Units 9/19/191 2nd, 3rd and 4th season
Unit 16 3rd season
Units 18/28/37/371 2nd season
Unit 20 2nd and 3rd season
Units 27/181 2nd and 3rd season
Unit 29 2nd, 3rd, and 4th season
Unit 33 2nd season
Unit 34 2nd season
Unit 38 2nd and 3rd season

Colorado Leftovers go on Sale August 10th, after the leftover draw.
 
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