Colorado HB13-1224

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I read this bill but I'm horrible at legal mumbo jumbo. Came across this on the Magpul Facebook site. If this is accurate this is Fudged up... and makes this a dangerous law for CO. if the police begin cracking down. They could just hang out at the gun range.

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HB13-1224 is actually much worse than people think....

The bill defines a 'large-capacity magazine' as a "fixed or detachable magazine, box, drum, feed strip, or similar device capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept, more than fifteen rounds of ammunition or more than eight shotgun shells."

In testimony and debate on the senate floor, expert witnesses and opponents pointed out that many magazines - regardless of stated capacity - could be 'converted' via the removable base plate to increase capacity. (i.e. changing/modifying the spring, using extensions, or 'stacking' - take note AR owners) Whether someone chose to do this or not, the capability existed in the design of the magazine, and thus the magazine in question would be classified as 'large-capacity' and summarily outlawed.

Let's use Glock mags as an example of this. Mag extensions such as the +1 round Pearce PG39 or the +6 round extension found here <http://www.glockstore.com/parts-accessories/mag-parts-extensions/23-round-magazine-ext> make expanding mag capacity possible. There's even a how-to video with this 23 round extension offering. Do a search by 'glock magazine extender' and you'll see.

Therefore, because Glock mags are ‘capable of accepting, or that can be readily converted to accept’ extensions, they will be illegal to ‘sell, transfer, or possess’ them once the law is in effect. You can apply this same situation to almost all of the other mag brands including Magpul. Magpul mags have specifically been used as an example of how their 'legal' 10 round mags will be rendered 'illegal' by their ability to stack.

This is a sneaky law. It doesn't restrict your right to keep and bear arms. It simply makes it illegal to own/possess a magazine with bullets in it.
 
yuck.... and this will prevent crime how?????? or just make a bunch of law abiding citizens criminals...
 
note it doesn't say that it has to work with that ammunition, just accept. drop 16 rounds of .22LR in a mag...

That would of course be a gross overreach of the meaning of the bill but legit under the strict wording.
 
What you have now, you can keep (for now), until the next incident hits the news and if the Democrats still hold the majority.
 
Something tells me that they won't want a test case to make it into the courts.

None of my Glock and Sig mags have date stamps or serial numbers. I have no way to prove that they are pre-ban and I don't have to because the onus is on them to prove they are post-ban. I also own Dawson Precision extended baseplates, but they are not prohibited by themselves. Can I install my pre-ban base pads on post-ban 15r Glock 22 mags? Or just my pre-ban 15r Glock 22 mags?

What is keeping me from grinding the date codes off my pre-ban AR and AK mags? Is there a pre-ban law against grinding the date codes off of mags? What is keeping me from buying post-ban AR and AK mags and grinding the date codes off of those and throwing them in the box with my pre-ban mags? Unless there is a definitive post-ban design change, how are they going to prove that any of the mags are post-ban?
 
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Something tells me that they won't want a test case to make it into the courts.

None of my Glock and Sig mags have date stamps or serial numbers. I have no way to prove that they are pre-ban and I don't have to because the onus is on them to prove they are post-ban. I also own Dawson Precision extended baseplates, but they are not prohibited by themselves. Can I install my pre-ban base pads on post-ban 15r Glock 22 mags? Or just my pre-ban 15r Glock 22 mags?

What is keeping me from grinding the date codes off my pre-ban AR and AK mags? Is there a pre-ban law against grinding the date codes off of mags? What is keeping me from buying post-ban AR and AK mags and grinding the date codes off of those and throwing them in the box with my pre-ban mags? Unless there is a definitive post-ban design change, how are they going to prove that any of the mags are post-ban?
They could see the grind marks on the magazines. The way the law reads it is a nightmare. I don't see this being enforced. There will probably be lots of challenges in court. I also think that the people who voted it in are in for a very rude political awakening. They just help get a bunch of people who are very passionate about a cause very angry at them. People who care about this cause far out weigh the people who care. It happened before, it will happen again. People who would otherwise sit home during election day will get off their butts and vote these jokers out of office.
 
My point is, there appears to be no law prohibiting me from grinding the date code off my mags prior to this ban.

Who is to say my mags had the date codes ground off pre-ban or post-ban?
 
I like stippling. Stippling adds a very good texture to polymer pistol grips and magazines. Before you take a soldering iron to your Glock, learn the ins and outs by practicing on a polymer magazine like a Pmag. Once you get the hang of it, you can give the handgun's grip a try. Before you know it, you'll have stippled up all of your Pmags so that they have a nice aggressive texture which is very useful.

Sometimes the date code gets wiped out in the stippling.
 
I like stippling. Stippling adds a very good texture to polymer pistol grips and magazines. Before you take a soldering iron to your Glock, learn the ins and outs by practicing on a polymer magazine like a Pmag. Once you get the hang of it, you can give the handgun's grip a try. Before you know it, you'll have stippled up all of your Pmags so that they have a nice aggressive texture which is very useful.

Sometimes the date code gets wiped out in the stippling.
PERFECT justification! I'm still not thinking that it is even needed though.
 
One legislator said that smaller capacity magazines would allow those nearby to tackle the shooter while he reloads. This is the intelligence level that we are dealing with out here.:banghead:
 
One legislator said that smaller capacity magazines would allow those nearby to tackle the shooter while he reloads. This is the intelligence level that we are dealing with out here.:banghead:

With that logic, I'm surprised cops are allowed to carry guns... they can just hide until the bad guy runs out of ammo and then tackle him... BRILLIANT!
 
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