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MSU learns an odd lesson from VT shootings

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  1. STW

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    Right, if VT had just banned students with pepper spray all would have been well. :banghead:

    http://tinyurl.com/2akebh

    In wake of Virginia Tech, MSU tightens campus weapons policy
    Committee also studies what to do in case of campus shooting
    By The Associated Press

    BOZEMAN - Montana State University is changing its firearms policy in the wake of the Virginia Tech shootings this spring.

    School officials say the changes clarify how weapons must be handled on campus and which weapons are banned.

    "We decided we needed to be more specific," said Glenn Puffer, associate dean of students.

    The new proposed policy spells out a long list of weapons that are banned on campus - from rifles, shotguns and handguns to swords, nunchucks and other martial arts weapons. Real-looking toy guns and pepper spray are also banned under the proposal.

    The university is taking public comment on the proposed policy until Friday.

    It states that even people who have permits to carry concealed weapons in public aren't allowed to bring their weapons on campus or into campus buildings. That's in line with state law, which suspends the privilege of concealed weapons in state buildings.

    The policy also clarifies how weapons can be stored. Students living in campus dormitories can't keep weapons in their rooms, but must store them in the dorm's storage lockers.

    Students or employees living off campus who are transporting a firearm in their vehicle must keep the weapon unloaded, cased and out of sight.

    "The gun rack with the gun loaded in the back of the pickup is not going to fly," Puffer said.

    MSU President Geoff Gamble asked Allen Yarnell, vice president for student affairs, to look into how the school would handle a campus shooting following the Virginia Tech massacre in April, which left 33 people dead.

    A committee identified three areas of concern, including the firearms policy, Puffer said.

    The group is still looking into a campus-wide notification system in the event of an emergency, and an emergency response plan for keeping people secure inside buildings.

    "We're really good at getting people out of buildings for fires and earthquakes," Puffer said. "We, and most institutions, have not looked at how to secure the whole campus against an external threat, a shooter."
     
  2. Alphazulu6

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    Yeah everyone knows that Bozeman and Missoula are just a bunch of Californian liberal hippies. But I guess even my favorite State will start to lose to these new laws :(
     
  3. cbsbyte

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    Montana seems to be heading the same way as Colorado and Nevada.
     
  4. TallPine

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    I read that this morning on the Billings Gazette website. At that time at least, the comments were running 100% in derision of MSU stupidity.

    One has to wonder just what is the point of going to college for "education" when the leadership of the college are obviously morons? I think you could learn more out in the field baling hay :rolleyes:
     
  5. Titan6

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    I now know of another school where my kids are not going to college.
     
  6. obxned

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    I'm not at all surprised by this. We used to live in Bozeman. Celebrities and other Kalifornicators moved there in such numbers that the whole community changed, and not for the better. "Last Best Place" my fat butt!
     
  7. Dravur

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    Dangit

    I graduated from MSU, the udder university. I carried all the time on campus. Heck, I was even a Bobcat and carried into the locker room. No one cared at all. Now, that was a looong time ago.

    I mean, MSU was the cool school, engineers, business students, high class peeps. Now, U of M, I could see this. They were the liberal arts college. Kind of a school for people who contemplated their navels.

    I am gonna have to cry soon.
     
  8. Henry Bowman

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    This is surprising to hear out of the Great State of Montana. However, even in Utah, the legislature had to fight academia tooth and nail to impose common sense safety rules (to allow self defense by effective means) on the state schools. Perhaps Monyana will follow Utah's good example in response to such tomfoolery.
     
  9. Prince Yamato

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    DaHyuk! Awr Shucks! Wer'm I gonna put ma shotgun?

    Man, could the guy stereotype us a little more?
     
  10. fletcher

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    Bad news.

    Are they seriously going to ban pepper spray? That's about the most PC self-defense you can have other than rolling over and dying.
     
  11. modifiedbrowning

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    That's BS. State law says you can't carry into Gov buildings, but says nothing about being outside on campus. This is a stupid rule that has no legal backing. Hell, I drive across campus on my way to go shooting all the time.
     
  12. Dravur

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    Do not subscribeHey M Browning.

    Have you been to the Logan Gun range? Great place! and if you go there, stop in Manhattan at the Oasis and get a steak. they used to have the best steaks in the world...

    and I'm not kidding.....
     
  13. Alphazulu6

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    Dravur,

    Why did I just read this regarding the liberals taking away every portion of the 2nd Amendment available to law abiding citizens? I get gas in Manhattan.... but... *scratches head*
     
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    Yep, I'm a member at Logan but I've never been to the Oasis. I'll have to check it out.
     
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    Privilege!? The right of the people to keep and bear arms is a privilege!? :fire:
     
  16. tmajors

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    Can't even have mace. Like hell if my daughter is ever even stepping foot on that campus.
     
  17. ArmedBear

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    Ban pepper spray, even?

    MSU is going to go from a target-rich environment for rapists to a safe zone for rapists?:mad:
     
  18. robert garner

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    Mr. Puffer,
    Please don't allow this travesty to advance, the students would not be more criminal in there actions armed on campus ,than they are off! They will be the ones present when some loco goes haywired,and as Americans deserve the right to fight if necessary!
    There are times when I doubt the thought processes of the Academia, but wish I had access to that which they are smoking!
    Best Wishes
    Robert Garner
    Wish I was as good a writer as some of y'all; so give it a go!
    robert
     
  19. romma

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    Insidious is the Nanny State mentality...
    There is no better metaphor for this than good ole' "throwing gas on a fire"...
     
  20. tmajors

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    My comment to the Dean of Students Glenn Puffer:

     
  21. ZeSpectre

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    Once again someplace focuses on the tools and not the criminals and in doing so punishes the law-abiding with draconian regulation serving no actual purpose (because we all know how much Cho cared about Virginia Tech's regulations and I'm sure he'd have cared just as much if it was "double illegal" to do what he did).

    Gack, is it something in the water???
     
  22. Dravur

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    huh?

    You get gas in Manhattan? ok.... I was mentioning to Modified browning that there "was" a great steak place in Manhattan called the Oasis and since it is close to the Logan Range, I thought he might like to know. Not sure what the above means....
     
  23. ArmedBear

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    Anyone who has gone to college and lived on campus can understand why they'd want to keep firearms out of the dorms.

    That doesn't mean I agree, but on the other hand we were dead drunk much of the time. Banning firearms from the dorms is a lot like not allowing CCW in bars.

    I knew people who joined the Archery Club so they could keep bows in their rooms, since they couldn't have guns. They did some stupid stuff with the bows. And I knew some people who kept firearms, but kept it really quiet. They never hurt anyone.

    But what I can't understand is how and why campus administration wouldn't allow non-lethal self-defense tools like pepper spray, when college campuses are very common places for forcible rape by strangers. Do campus feminists support this?!?
     
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    Sure not saying they are right, but to all of you saying that your kids aren't going to go there, are there many other colleges with a much looser policy? Granted, the pepper spray is a bit unusual, but for the most part, it sounds like the policy is pretty much like MI Tech's, which is the loosest that I know of in the state.
     
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