Colorado State University Student Leaders Back Guns On Campus

[.455_Hunter]

May be we are making progress...

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21794526/detail.html

FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- Colorado State University student leaders have voted to urge CSU President Tony Frank to continue letting people with concealed-weapon permits carry guns on campus.

Twenty-one members of the Associated Students of CSU Senate voted Wednesday for a resolution making the recommendation to Frank. Three voted against it. Five members were absent or abstained.

CSU currently uses the default state law, which allows concealed weapons for permit holders. Weapons are banned from CSU residence halls and university-run apartments.

Campus public safety officials and Frank's cabinet have recommended a ban with some exceptions, such as for security officials guarding high-profile visitors.

Frank will make the final decision.

How will this effect "non-student" visitors to campus?

How does a state university president get to override state law?

I thought that the University of Colorado, (NOT Colorado State) was the only state entity allowed to disallow CCW permit holders from carrying on campus grounds, as least to our former state AG (now Sec. of the Interior) Ken Salazar.

 

[CoRoMo]

I heard this very story this morning on the radio as I was driving in to the office.
I thought they reported the vote was 23-3, but whatever, at least there's good pressure on Frank now.

Weapons are banned from CSU residence halls and university-run apartments.

I'd like Frank to explain how this ban would affect a madman bent on conducting a massacre.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Poll question on this topic

www.kusa.com

If students have a concealed weapons permit, should they be allowed to carry guns on college campuses?

 

[cleardiddion]

Well, I'm not the biggest fan of CSU (Go Buffs!) but I think they should most definitely take a long hard look at this issue.

Campus public safety officials and Frank's cabinet have recommended a ban with some exceptions, such as for security officials guarding high-profile visitors

So, they want high profile visitors protected but not Joe/Jane Doe? What do the university staff and students who are the lifeblood of the school do then? Guess it's as they say, some are more equal than others (in their eyes).

 

[nastynatesfish]

guns on campus

the way i see it is like concealed carry. if you have a firm understanding of firearms and safe practice, hell if everyone has a gun maybe someone can shoot back. but then again the current government wants us all a nation of victims.

 

[Fremmer]

I'm not the biggest fan of CSU (Go Buffs!)

Yeah, go allright....CSU tore 'em up. Nebraska tore 'em up. Maybe they outta go back to the drawing board. (Just some friendly banter from a Ram fan ).

There's a huge difference between Fort Collins and Boulder. God I miss Fort Collins......

 

[Larry Ashcraft]

CSU-Pueblo is considering the ban also (actually, if CSU Fort Collins does it, Pueblo won't have any choice).

Article is here.

CSU board rethinking firearms policy
By GAYLE PEREZ
THE PUEBLO CHIEFTAIN
Colorado State University-Pueblo's policy allowing concealed weapons on campus could be changing soon.

The Board of Governors of the CSU System, which oversees CSU-Pueblo and CSU-Fort Collins, will discuss the system's weapons control policy at its regular board meeting scheduled for Friday in Denver.

Currently, CSU-Pueblo and CSU-Fort Collins follow state law which allows for individuals with a permit to carry concealed weapons to do so on campus.

The residence halls are the only areas where weapons are prohibited.

Both campuses are among the few colleges in the nation that allow concealed weapons to be carried on campus. "This makes us fairly unusual, as most institutions of higher education have a complete concealed-weapons ban," said CSU-Pueblo President Joe Garcia.

The BOG has been reviewing its current policy and could propose changes at Friday's meeting. The board has not stated what those changes might be.

The topic is being discussed by the board after CSU-Fort Collins officials began reviewing the policy earlier this fall.

The CSU-Fort Collins Public Safety Team unanimously recommended that, with a few exceptions, concealed weapons be banned from the campus, according to a CSU-Fort Collins spokesman.

The team said that would be consistent with other college campuses in the state and the nation.

The CSU-Fort Collins president's cabinet agreed with the safety team's recommendation, however, President Tony Frank agreed to meet with student leaders before making an official recommendation on the policy.

Student government leaders asked Frank for time to conduct a survey to get a better idea of what students think about the issue.

As of Wednesday, Frank was waiting for a recommendation from the student government leaders.

If the board agrees to change the policy, CSU-Pueblo will be required to amend its policy.

CSU-Pueblo officials have not discussed any possible changes to the policy, according to Garcia.

"It's really not been an issue for us," he said.

If policy changes are made, Garcia said they would come from his office but any changes would be made with consultation from other university groups, including faculty and students.

Feel free to comment on the article, but you will have to register with the Pueblo Chieftain to do so.

 

[Neverwinter]

Well, I'm not the biggest fan of CSU (Go Buffs!) but I think they should most definitely take a long hard look at this issue.



So, they want high profile visitors protected but not Joe/Jane Doe? What do the university staff and students who are the lifeblood of the school do then? Guess it's as they say, some are more equal than others (in their eyes).

These rules regarding self-defense for high-profile visitors and the rest of the community are separate but equal. What's wrong with that?

 

[.455_Hunter]

So much for that....

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/21845679/detail.html

Colorado State University Bans Guns On Campus

Board of Governors Goes Against Student Government Vote

FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- Colorado State University will ban guns and join most college campuses nationwide in forbidding concealed weapons on campus.

Colorado State's Board of Governors voted 7-0 Friday to outlaw firearms on its campuses in Fort Collins and Pueblo. Currently, the two schools are among a handful in the nation where concealed weapons are lawful with a permit.

The ban won't take effect until the presidents of the two campuses write individual bans. Guns are already off-limits at the University of Colorado and at virtually all campuses nationwide.

Officials said the Colorado State gun ban will leave Utah campuses as the only ones where concealed weapons are allowed. That state forbids campus gun bans.

Colorado State board members acted Friday after a faculty group at the Fort Collins campus asked for a ban. The student government overwhelmingly opposed a ban in a vote taken earlier this week


Once again- Does this have any effect on a non-student who enters CSU property? If so, how? :banghead:

 

[Intrepid Dad]

Once again- Does this have any effect on a non-student who enters CSU property? If so, how?

I'm not an attorney and don't play one on the internet, so take this for what it's worth. The text below is from the Rocky Mountain Gun Owners' website.

If I have a concealed carry permit, can I carry on college school grounds? YES (with conditions, and as long as it is a public school)

18-12-105.5. Unlawfully carrying a weapon - unlawful possession of weapons - school, college, or university grounds.

(3) It shall not be an offense under this section if:

(d) The person, at the time of carrying a concealed weapon, held a valid written permit to carry a concealed weapon

However, then Attorney General Ken Salazar wrote an opinion that, since the Regents to the University of Colorado are a constitutional office and have powers to govern that university, they may ban concealed carry on their campuses. As of the writing of this document, all of CU's campuses have a ban on concealed carry.

I get the impression that Ken Salazar ruled that public colleges can make a law for their area of operations, in this case a college campus. So my understanding is that it is illegal for anyone, even a non-student with a CCW, to carry on their campus. I assume the same will soon be true in Ft. Collins and Pueblo.

I just carried on the Ft. Collins campus last week. Guess I'm glad I got it in before they made it illegal.

 

[.455_Hunter]

My recollection is that when Salazar ruled on the CU question, he stated that the specific charter given to the CU Regents gave them that power. At no time were other universities or campuses mentioned. Who knows???

Unfortunately, student/employee codes-of-conduct can contain whatever regulations the school want to put in them, but making that apply to somebody who is visiting campus is a little difficult.

I wonder whether this "ban" will have the same legal standing as the "no weapons" sign at the local mall- They would prefer that you not CCW, but the only thing they can do about it is ask you to leave the property if your weapon is discovered. If you don't comply, only then you can be arrested for a crime (trespassing).

I will have to call the Larimer County Sheriff and/or the State AG office for clarification when the dust settles.

If this goes the wrong way, the whole concept of preemption will go down the toilet...

 

[.455_Hunter]

Rocky Mountain Gun Owners has some interesting info on the subject...

http://www.rmgo.org/csu/

 

[rocinante]

here is another link.

http://www.denverpost.com/technology/ci_13931299

The slant in this one is so bad it is comical.

What gets me is lines like

Colorado State University's past refusal to go along with a national trend and ban concealed weapons on campus makes sense to students, but not necessarily to adults on campus.

like your average liberal college professor is more adult than the 21 year plus CCW holder? They always try so hard to portray university students on the same level as kindergarten.