Colt Address on Non-Colt Percussion Revolvers

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Over the years I have observed many non-Colt replica percussion revolvers that have the Colt Address on top of the barrel. I have collected a few stories about these and would like to hear from anyone who has an idea on the history of these markings. Armi San Marco revolvers are the ones that I have observed the most. Colt Address on top of barrel just as on authentic Colt revolvers.
 
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I have an idea, but no data, which makes it worth little. However, you asked....

Uneducated and/or unscrupulous antique collectors/dealers attempting to increase the value of their stock.

My wife collects a certain brand of antique bone china, and we've seen this practice many times - people attempting to cash in on the brand name by putting the manufacturer's backstamp on items in shapes and patterns that were never made by that manufacturer. They're easy to identify if one is even slightly knowlegdable about that manufacturer's products, but the perpetrator is only trying for a quick buck from someone completely ignorant of the line.
 
I am certain that Colt's still holds the trademark on its name.
I think Colt forgives transgressors when they describe replicas as "1851 Colt" and such.
However, I'm also sure that Colt would bristle and call in its lawyers if guns were stamped with the name.
In fact, there is historical precedence for this. Back in the heyday of cap and ball revolvers, many inferior copies of popular Colts were made in Belgium, and often stamped with "Colt" or a variation thereof.
The Colt company rounded up its lawyers to go after the patent infringements that were violated when the Colt copy was made, as well as the trademark infringement by them using the Colt name.
However, the battle went on for some tiime because international law concerning patent and trademark violations in those days was relatively toothless.
Not like today, boy, when no country dares to copy other patented merchandise ... :rolleyes:

The reissued Colt cap and ball revolvers of the 1970s through 1990s were ostensibly "made in Italy" but bore the Colt name in many places. There's an interesting story behind this, according to "Colt Blackpowder Reproductions and Replicas," by Dennis Adler.
Briefly, Colt wanted to reintroduce its classic revolvers but the tooling for such models had been lost or discarded decades before.
Colt contacted an Italian gunmaker who was already producing copies of classic Colts, and wanted to contract the building of very high-quality copies bearing the Colt name.
But then a legal snag appeared.
Italian law mandates that every firearm made in Italy be proof-tested -- and after passing the proof loads be stamped with the Italian proofhouse mark!
Well, Colt knew that no American shooter would stand for a Colt with an Italian proofmark stamped on it, so a compromise was reached.
The Italian gunmaker produced the rough, unfinished parts and these were shipped to the states for final finishing, stamping and assembly.
Colt did some of the work, or subcontracted it with Colt's overview.
Today, some shooters claim that this brands them, "Made In Italy" and decry them as phony Colts.
I prefer to think of them as having a few spaghetti stains on them. :D
After all, Winchester and Browning had guns made by Miroku in Japan but few would claim they're not real Winchesters or Brownings.
I own a Colt 2nd generation 1851 Navy I purchased in 1983. It's extremely well made, marked Colts Patent on the frame, and along the barrel is ADDS SAMUEL COLT NEW YORK.
Its steel and walnut may be European, but it exudes all American with every shot.
 
Gatofeo - ditto for the Colt rifle muskets? I've got a 3 band Colt.
 
I had two with the Colt address on them. One was a Pietta Hartford Series 1873BP SAA C&B with The Colt address, Hartford Conn. on the barrel...traded it the other nite. The other one I have 1862 Colt Pocket Police, all matching numbers on cylinder, two places on the barrel, frame, grip SN96xxx, as near as I can tell from a worn P and part of an N (PN) near the frame on the right rear of the barrel. The placement of the PN is where ASP would have them.
Uberti, ASM, ASP, Pietta, & Palmetto at one time were said to have these original looking markings. Until Colt put a stop to it.
I'm still trying to find these SN96656 numbers.

SG

This 1862 has the ~Address SamL Colt Hartford Conn~
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and dont forget the foreign gun companies back in the 1800s made copies of most popular american guns that included perfect copies of all barrel markings.

and i have seen an online auction that featured a genuine kyber pass colt revolver. only issue with it was that the pakistani gunsmith made a 51 navy with a cylinder length that would be hard to fit into a walker.
 
4v50 Gary:
I don't know about the Colt muskets. Perhaps they were made with Colt's permission. I know they were available until recently, so I'd suspect they were made with Colt's permission.

A few years ago I saw a very early Colt reproduction of the 1860 Army. The owner dated it to the early 1960s. It had no reference to Colt anywhere on it. Serial number was three numbers.
It was in great shape, nearly new. It wasn't for sale.
As I recall, he told me there was no name on it. Just an Italian proof stamp. I've never seen a replica so devoid of markings; just one lil' stamp under the lever.
 
Dixie Gun Works back in the early 80(s) imported some BP revolvers that were made by Armi San Marco. They were stamped with the Colt Address. Not sure if Colt stopped it or how long they had been doing it. They were some interesting guns. I had one of the 1860 Army models and a Walker model that I eventually traded off. Wished I still had them.
 
I have a 51 Navy and a 3rd model Dragoon that I purchased from Colt in 1979. According to Colt's customer service dep't they were made for Colt in Europe and inspected and sold by Colt.
They are considered authentic blackpowder Colts.
I have a copy of the Colt 1979 catalog and the January 1979 issue of the American Rifleman that featured these guns..

I am interested in trading or selling them.
The 51 Navy square back is like NIB.
The 3rd Dragoon has never been fired or rotated.
 
These today are probably better than those produced in 1850s and 60s. Gatefeo, its good to see you posting again. I try to read every article you post.
 
Actually the story is interesting. Armi San Marco bought the unused left over parts of the Colt Second Generation model production run when Colt stopped making them... You will find the story on page 24 of this link.

http://store.bluebookinc.com/Info/PDF/POWDER/MBPHistoryOfColtBlack.pdf

The only difference I see is my Armi San Marco Navy has a round trigger guard and my Colt's are square back. I use my Armi San Marco as a shooter and preserve my Colt 1851 Second Gen. Navies.
 
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