junkman_01
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None were EVER made that way.
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None were EVER made that way.
I read where you could order Army grips installed onto a '51 Navy or Navy grips on an Army but the frame should match the cylinder. The Army frame seems incongruent for the gun. Why the serial #s all match looks very unusual. I would feel better if the serial #s DIDN'T match then a case for a "mix & match" of available part to complete an original gun could be better made.
After looking at, and enlarging the (excelent by the way) picture I came to the conclusion that the frame and barrel stampings were done with different stamp sets because the font styles are different. They should all be the same. Also it appears that the barrel has been filed on where it meets the frame, either to make it match the frame, or to remove a non-matching serial number. This revolver also has an 1860 Army frame, made to take a .44 rebated cylinder. If Colt had made it they would have used the correct 1851 Navy frame, made to take a none-rebated .36 cylinder. At the factory they could have easily fitted an 1860 Army backstrap, trigger guard and stocks to a 1851 Navy frame (which in fact is something they did do on special order), but the revolver in question is not anything that was put together by Colt's.
SC_Slowhand
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Deception???
I don't belive this one was done as a deception, per the literal definition of the word. The receipt lists it as "Colt Navy Rev. Repro".
In the Dealers description he described it as a "Colt Precussion Navy Revolver made on an original 4 screw Colt Model 1860 Army Frame, using good reproduction parts with Colt Markings for the balance. Nicely aged to look like real aged finish." So that's pretty much up front about it.
Old Fluff thinks the barrel maybe an original, but renumbered, with a replica loading lever. Who knows?
Anyway if I ever did decide to sell it, I'd be sure to include a disclaimer statement concerning any possibility of it being an original or antique to the best of my knowledge.
Meanwhile it's sitting in the safe and someday my grandsons are going to get them. Not until they're a bit older of course. I'd hate to think of them running around playing cowboy with Grand Pa's Old Guns.
Thanks for the comment. This is one of those "What do you think?" kind of things. Nothing more to it.
I don't belive this one was done as a deception, per the literal definition of the word. The receipt lists it as "Colt Navy Rev. Repro".
In the Dealers description he described it as a "Colt Precussion Navy Revolver made on an original 4 screw Colt Model 1860 Army Frame, using good reproduction parts with Colt Markings for the balance. Nicely aged to look like real aged finish." So that's pretty much up front about it.
Old Fluff thinks the barrel maybe an original, but renumbered, with a replica loading lever. Who knows?
Anyway if I ever did decide to sell it, I'd be sure to include a disclaimer statement concerning any possibility of it being an original or antique to the best of my knowledge.
Meanwhile it's sitting in the safe and someday my grandsons are going to get them. Not until they're a bit older of course. I'd hate to think of them running around playing cowboy with Grand Pa's Old Guns.
Thanks for the comment. This is one of those "What do you think?" kind of things. Nothing more to it.
SC_Slowhand
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Good stuff. Have at it Gentlemen. We are of course just having a discussion about this little bit of curiosity. I doubt that, other than the .44 frame, any of the parts were ever near a Colt Factory. The lettering and numbers on the cylinder and barrel were poorly stamped, with different sets used.
All the comments and detailed examination are of course appreciated. When I first saw the pictures of her, the barrel and cylinder were of course a bit obvious. I was on the telephone with another member of this forum and we both were looking at the web site and had a great discussion on it. I simply bought it as a curio piece, nothing more. Who ever cooked this one up was no Michaelangelo.
All the comments and detailed examination are of course appreciated. When I first saw the pictures of her, the barrel and cylinder were of course a bit obvious. I was on the telephone with another member of this forum and we both were looking at the web site and had a great discussion on it. I simply bought it as a curio piece, nothing more. Who ever cooked this one up was no Michaelangelo.
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SC_Slowhand
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Interesting
sonnymiami
It was intersting. Thanks for the link.
sonnymiami
It was intersting. Thanks for the link.
SC_Slowhand
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Popping a wedge
I was off today. So this evening I popped the wedges out of both "Colts" and gave then a good cleaning. This of course is the converted Army Colt Model 1860 Frame.
The .36 Cal Barrel and Cylinder have very little age on them. Only bits and pieces of the Texas Navy Battle Scene Cylinder Scroll are visible.
There a some pit marks on the frame and wear. She looks her age, unlike the cylinder, barrel and loading lever. The Stage Coach Scene on the cylinder is still barely visible. Unlike the De Fab Jobbed one above, it is by age.
The right side also has some pitting and rough edges.
Overall though she cleaned up nicely. I'm going to wait a while then do a complete disassembly.
While I was at it I took popped the wedge on the Colt Model 1849 Pocket Pistol. She hadn't been cleaned for awhile.
I'm using Break Free CLP on the interior and Rem Oil on the external areas.
This is a great shot of the arbor or base pin.
She's in great shape but does show her age.
I put her back together, wiped her exterior down with Rem Oil and put her away. I've been fooling around with modern firearms for decades and done the odd bit of tinkering and restoration here and there. I have disassembled several replicas but never had at a 150 year old original before. This evening I got a chance to have a go at at least One and a half.
I was off today. So this evening I popped the wedges out of both "Colts" and gave then a good cleaning. This of course is the converted Army Colt Model 1860 Frame.
The .36 Cal Barrel and Cylinder have very little age on them. Only bits and pieces of the Texas Navy Battle Scene Cylinder Scroll are visible.
There a some pit marks on the frame and wear. She looks her age, unlike the cylinder, barrel and loading lever. The Stage Coach Scene on the cylinder is still barely visible. Unlike the De Fab Jobbed one above, it is by age.
The right side also has some pitting and rough edges.
Overall though she cleaned up nicely. I'm going to wait a while then do a complete disassembly.
While I was at it I took popped the wedge on the Colt Model 1849 Pocket Pistol. She hadn't been cleaned for awhile.
I'm using Break Free CLP on the interior and Rem Oil on the external areas.
This is a great shot of the arbor or base pin.
She's in great shape but does show her age.
I put her back together, wiped her exterior down with Rem Oil and put her away. I've been fooling around with modern firearms for decades and done the odd bit of tinkering and restoration here and there. I have disassembled several replicas but never had at a 150 year old original before. This evening I got a chance to have a go at at least One and a half.
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