Colt/Caspian Officers Model half-breed

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About 8 months ago, a buddy gave me a box of parts from a stainless Colt Officers Model. The parts consisted of a complete slide and most of the interior parts from the frame/receiver. The frame and a few parts were missing.

He gave them to me in order to bug me about my then recent purchase of a Para Ordnance Carry 12. He claimed that I'd need them to keep the P-O running. He was wrong. The P-O has worked fine with only one FTF when my son-in-law was shooting it.

I decided to build a 1911 with the parts. I ordered a Caspian slide and when it arrived I realized that I had no idea where to start and had bitten off more than I could chew. I contacted a retired armorer/gunsmith from my old department and asked him to build me an Officers Model. He agreed but warned me that there would be a delay. I gave him the box of parts and the frame in July.

Last Wednesday I got it back. He did an excellent job. I've shown it to my gun nut buddies and all were impressed by the work.

Today, I took it to the range. The first shot was an "X". The next three were in the 10 ring and the final shot was in the 9 ring. I was using a 3" bullseye target at 15 yards. The last 10 rounds, of the 100 rounds I shot, were all in the "X" or 10 ring.

The ammunition was my reloads: A 200 grain Meister lead SWC over a light charge of AA#2. Even my lightest load cycled the slide which surprised me since they won't function properly in my Glock 30.

I tried a few types of factory ammo and all types, JHP, FMJ, etc, functioned with no problem.

The little half-breed mixture of Colt and Caspian is a shooter. This is the first 1911 I've ever owned although I've shot a bunch of them. (I don't consider my two P-O LDA's as true 1911's)

As you can guess, I had a good day at the range,

John
 
Oh....sure!, Hit a post like that and leave out the pics!

I'm feeling a little less than satisfied at the moment :p

Sounds like an awesome pistol. But then again I like O models.

I made the mistake of selling my semi custom Officers model. :eek:

Some day I'll get another...but it will be a while . :(
 
I second the pics idea...

One thing about your post kinda bugs me though. Did you mean you got a caspian frame? I cant imagine building a pistol out of two slides...

Also, isn't the carry 12 an LDA? The only useable parts from the box he gave you would have been the bbl bushing, firing pin, FP stop, extracor, slide stop, maybe the MSH and ejector...

Does he need any more friends? I have a Para Companion...
 
Unfortunately, although I have a digital camera, I'm a computer dummy. I don't know how to post pictures. If somebody really wants to see it, I do know how to e-mail photos.

Zach S,
The slide that I was given was complete: barrel, recoil spring, extractor, etc. It fit the P-O Carry 12 perfectly, and vice versa. The Carry 12 worked perfectly with either slide on the P-O frame. Of course, with the Colt slide, it was SA.

The trigger, safties, sear, MSH, etc, were all given to me when I got the slide. The frame needed a plunger assembly and ejector added when I got it from Caspian. My gunsmith buddy put all the parts together and I now have the "half-breed".

On my next trip to the range, I'll take both the P-O and the Colt/Caspian and shoot them side by side and then swap slides so that I'd have a Colt/P-O or a Caspian/P-O. I'm creating monsters.

John
 
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You have to be a member of FFF to view the pics.

Let me get this straight, you own a custom Caspian/Colt, you come here and talk it up, but you don't have a digital camera? What's this world coming to? ARGH!
 
Here are the pics. Very nice!
 

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very classy pistol you have there.

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Two thumbs up!
 
Dave Sample,

The `smith asked if it should be cut but recommended that it be left alone. That way he can always convert it to a Commander or full size model. It works with no problem so I'm not going to have it cut. He worked on my Sig 220, which I bought when I retired, and it's the smoothest Sig I've ever fired. Since he knows what he's doing, I'll follow his advice,

John
 
Do mine eyes deceive me?

Is that an O model upper on an gov model or commander frame.

JCM298....That is a nice rig, freind!




I have heard of such a beast and it is called The Pit Bull.

I have wondered about the tech aspects of such a pistol, trading uppers and lowers and such things.

I actually did drop on a Colt O model slide assembly onto an Gov model frame assembly. It all functioned seemingly ok when handcycled. So I cautiously fired it. One round in he tube and one in the mag. The dang this functioned.
So I ran a whole mag through it. Funtioned beautifully!

That was before all this internet talk forum stuff. I was just a tinkerer who could see why it shouldn't and or wouldn't work. I sure as heck didn't and still don't know the intricasies and design specs of the different Colt models.
And since an old and well known custom shop from the western-midwest U.S. said it shouldn't work I put all the parts back where they came from and pouted for about 10 years.

It may have broke in the next round I will never know. What I do know is the danged thing just worked. And quite nicely might add.
Accident, luck on my part..Damn if i know!

I know, I know, I never claimed to be overly bright but I survived those days.

These days my Kimber compact with its 4" barrel and O model length grip frame suits me quite nicely.
 
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Dave Sample

Would you mind expaining the subtle differences in the workings of the O model, Commander and Gov models?

Any ideas as to why my youthful experiment at least appeared to work.
 
Missouri Mule,

Thanks. I think it looks good too and it is a shooter.

The only reason I started on this project was because the parts had been given to me and I did not own a 1911. I ordered an OM frame from Caspian. When it arrived, the dealer, a nationally known rifle builder, assured me that it was an OM slide.

I never asked the `smith who did the work what size frame it was. We only discussed the length of the dust cover. At this point, I don't know what kind of half-breed I have, but the mutt looks good and shoots very well, so I'm not complaining.

I have less than $400 invested in it and I don't think I could get a specially designed pistol for that price. Although I've shot a number of 1911's, I've not "messed" with them since I got out of the Army and that was 40 years ago. This is the first 1911 I've ever owned,

John
 
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Here is what mine looks like.

The Commander size lower end has a shorter dust cover and is .100 shorter in the lock up area. The Officers lower end is the same above but has a shorter magazine funnel. They are all three different but sometimes even a blind pig finds an acorn and things will work. Mine is a Commander size lower and a Officers size upper, both Caspian Arms parts.
 
Blind pig huh! I don't recall posting any pics of myself.

You must be well connected...cause that is a fairly accurate description on me... either that or you're physic...oh hell I can't even spell it.

Besides I know what I think you mean..... :D
 
You got lucky! I did not mean to offend you, I am just glad you got away with it. You did not get lucky with the Smith. He missed his calling some where.
 
I just did the same thing with my blued Series 70 Gov't frame and stainless pre-enhanced Officers ACP last night - thought it looked darn cool myself. Nice blaster!
 
Although I like handguns pushing the envelope of creativity, I prefer commanders that are Commanders, governments that are Governments and officers that are Officer's.

That said, here is my custom 1911 Colt Officer's model pistol
 

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That Caspian dust cover looks to be just the right length for a CCO-sized pistol with a Commander length top end and Officer's grip.

Personally, I like the way it looks. It is a bit like one of Les Baer's Monoliths with the dust cover left long. But aesthetics aside, why is leaving the dust cover a 1/2" long a problem? Could someone that thinks it is a problem explain why it would affect the function of the pistol?
 
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