colt DS vs sp101

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How does the Colt Detective sp. compare to a ruger sp 101 with the short barrel? I had a colt long time ago and I don't really remember. Would anyone here say the ruger is closer to the Colt in size and weight then to a smith j-frame? thank you

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Size and weight are similar, but the Ruger is much more rugged, especially in regard to the cylinder timing system.

Lone Star
 
On the other hand, the Colt is consistently more accurate, and is a higher quality gun with better fit and finish.
It also holds 6 rounds to the Ruger 5.
 
A key consideration for me is that Crimson Trace makes laser grips for the Ruger.
 
When - not if- the Colt goes out-of-time, who will service it for you? Few modern gunsmiths work on Colt revolvers.
 
Interesting that you asked this question, Lone Star. Just last week I bought 3rd gen Detective Special in a great condition (beautiful blue finish and grips, I have to say). The gun was badly out-of-time though. dfariswheel and others explained to me how to stretch the hand. Problem was fixed in a couple of hours. This was my first experience with Colts; next time around it will take me 15-20 min...

I much prefer Ruger lockwork design. GP100 and Speed Six are some of my favorite shooters. SP101 is great gun too but IMHO it has a major design flaw - curved hammer notch. That one took me more than 15 min to fix... Ruger's are very functional... but not beautiful guns. Colt DS is a work of art; I am even hesitant to carry it for that reason.

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Would anyone here say the ruger is closer to the Colt in size and weight then to a smith j-frame?

Yes and no. Holsters made for the Colt "D" frame fit the SP101 nicely. The Detective Special is a couple of ounces lighter than the SP101, the Agent even lighter.

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Thank you all, the DS I had a long time ago I got at a good price but it been so long I really forgot what it felt like I traded it for a Mod. 60 mailnly because of the timing problems that I would here about also a colt trooper I had firing pin broke when I was in the acadamy and since then did not have a lot of faith in colts. The reason I'm thinking of it now is I'm looking for a snub for the wife she had express intreste in the ruger it quite a bit bigger then the j-frame I use but she like the way a colt felt at the gun show we went to but couldn't fine a ruger for her to look at.
 
I have several SP101s and one Colt DSII 38+p.

The Colt's trigger is extremely smooth!!!!!!!
The SP101s are just as accurate.

The SP101s are for use and the Colt is to look pretty and be used gently.

Colts are finicky with timing issues. Buyer beware.
 
As beautiful as the Colts are, I'm a bit paranoid of buying one, especially long distance such as Gun Broker. The timing on Colts is touchy and much more complex to work on than Ruger.

SP101's are diamonds in the rough. Trigger usually sucks out of the box, but range time and dry firing takes care of that.
 
My SP101 has a prety decent trigger right out of the box. Its not as good as the Smith M29 I tried last week but it is smooth if a little heavy.
 
Ruger

I bought a 1950's production Detective Special as a carry gun.

A number of problems have prevented me from carrying it. They are not with the gun, it works as intended.

1. Recoil! I want to use 125 grain +P and the recoil impact with the original grips was numbing. Using better wooden grips has helped, but the larger grips on the RUGER would help more.
I have been unable to locate rubber grips for EARLY COLTS. The grip advertised on the net are usually ONLY FOR 3rd generation guns and will not fit the longer grip of the D.S.

2. I would also consider the .357 magnum option if I was going to carry the RUGER. I could not do that with the COLT.

In the end, I may sell the COLT for another gun. There is nothing wrong with it, but it does not accomplish what I want it to do.
 
When - not if- the Colt goes out-of-time, who will service it for you? Few modern gunsmiths work on Colt revolvers. - Lone Star

I own 2 Colt DS, beautiful guns. One of them is a 1960s vintage that had timing problems when I bought it. I sent it back to Colt Industries and they went completely through the gun and refinished it while they had it. When I got it back, it was like new. Perfect in every aspect. They still have the staffing and expertise to take care of any repairs.
 
A good friend of mine was well acquainted with a top flight pistolsmith of national reknown. You WOULD know his name if I mentioned it. (If you've been into guns for awhile.)

This man tuned a large number of PPC and similar guns. He swore that he hated to tune a Python (same basic action as the smaller DS) because it would again go out-of-time within a few hundred rounds.

I have examined MANY vintage revolvers. Colts are FAR more likely to suffer this malady than are S&W's or Rugers. MK III and later Colts were redesigned, in part to oversome this problem, for which the older design had become notorious.

That said, I am truly glad that Colt set your gun right. But not everyone wants to return his gun to the maker, and who knows how long they'll remain in business? How long will this timing job last, if you use the gun much?


PRM, what did Colt charge for that refurbishing? I'm sure that some here will want to know. What was the turnaround time?

Lone Star
 
Complete refinish and everything was $250. Took about 4 weeks turn around. May seem a little high - but that model had some sentimental attachment to it. It was like new when I got it back.

I can't say as I have had problems with the D frame Colts. Both my Detective Specials have had around 5000 rounds put through them and are still as mechanically sound as can be. I don't shoot +P ammo in them as they were not rated for that. My Police Positive has had untold rounds put through it, was used when I got it and like my two DS, it is a great shooter.

I have been shooting Colts revolvers since the late 70s and have had very few problems. I just don't see them having that much of a timing issue unless they are abused.

My only concern with a Colt DA is the availability of parts getting scarce at some point. But as far as buying, carrying or shooting one today - not a concern.

The S&W J frame in stainless is an easier gun to keep, and the Ruger is a war horse no doubt. I wouldn't sell the Colts short. They were premium revolvers in their day.

In fact when I started my career as an LEO - a lot of departments required their officers to furnish their own weapons. Guidelines of the day were pretty strict and generally read the same, you had to have a .38 or .357, four inch barrel, Colt or Smith & Wesson. Nothing else was allowed. Guidelines for detective's firearms, off duty carry, and back-up weapons were more relaxed - still, most carried 2 inch versions of the full size duty weapons.
 
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