Colt Python

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The Colt Python, besides just being a quality revolver in the most popular caliber, set styling standards for decades to come. If you can look at a Smith 686, or a Ruger GP-100, or a current underlugged Taurus and not see that, you have a problem.
Since it's demise by Colt, it has achieved cult status, very similar to the 2nd Generation SAAs. It's like art. When the artest dies it increases in value.
There is nothing wrong with a Python, or a Smith, or a Ruger, or (possibly) a Taurus. Depending on your personal priorities, you can justify any of them to yourself. No one else matters, 'cause it's your money. Whatever you have, enjoy it.

P.S. - All you tapered barrel 'theorists' are invited to slug the barrel. I have. And won $20 in the process.
 
"P.S. - All you tapered barrel 'theorists' are invited to slug the barrel."

It's only .001"

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- by Massad Ayoob

"In the late 1970s, I did a three part series on the Python for American Handgunner magazine that involved days at the factory debriefing the engineers. They told me that Python bores were tapered by .001" toward the muzzle, to drive the bullet deeper into the rifling. This is, if you think about it, quite a feat of engineering. It may be one reason why for so many years, people who preferred other revolvers paid gunsmiths to install Python barrels on them, creating a "Smolt" when the tube was joined to an S&W and a "Cougar' when mated to a Ruger."
 
It's only .001"

.001 is a very good crush when forcing 2 metals together.
Did you ever stuff a .376 O.D. solid bearing into a hard steel or stainless steel .375 I.D. diam bore ?
It's gonna take a lot of force to push that through.

Jeff (GUNKWAZY)
 
They are very nice. They are very pricey. You have to decide if they are worth it. I like mine and shoot them a lot.

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"Another good gun is the 1950's-60's Trooper (not the MKIII)."

The Trooper Mk III is an excellent revolver. The lock-work is virtually the same as the Anaconda and King Cobra (based on the Mk V). They lock differently than the Python, if that is what you want or refer to. But, they are excellent none-the-less.

Ash
 
I just put over 900 rounds through my beat-up four-inch Python in the last four days, including a 100-round IDPA match in which I finished 13th of 49, even despite SOing a 13-man squad, too.
If it had some sort of problem, I guess I would have noticed.
Note about the .357 Model and Trooper: I'm a big fan, and have some. But the funny thing is, once the timer goes off, with the Python, the holes in the targets are more likely to be alphas or zeros and they appear more quickly. Can't explain it, but there it is.
Now, pardon me while I get to processing all this dang empty brass...
Bill
 
".001 is a very good crush when forcing 2 metals together.
Did you ever stuff a .376 O.D. solid bearing into a hard steel or stainless steel .375 I.D. diam bore ?
It's gonna take a lot of force to push that through."

No I haven't. But was he slugging barrels with ball bearings or soft lead slugs to win that $20? If the barrel is smooth enough soft lead might just slide on through. If I think of it Saturday I'll see what the hall of fame rimfire shooting gunsmith at the range says.

John
 
But was he slugging barrels with ball bearings

Ahhh dear John and dear friend of the Hall of Famer rimfire Gunsmith world champion, I'm hoping you're just bustin my stones here, but report back asap as we're sure going to be holding on tightly to see what is said about a gun that was made for 50 years and that is world renown & known to be very accurate for some reason or another.:D

Jeff (GUNKWAZY)
 
The Python is a wonderfully beautiful gun that really isn't all it's cracked up to be. I mean, it was, but not now.

What I mean is that the Python was, for it's time, arguably worth the premium price they commanded. Their rich blue finishes were legendary and the guns were accurate. But when Smith introduced its 686, they pulled out all stops to try to make them the equal of the Python accuracy-wise. In fact, the early 686s were some of the finest guns Smith ever produced. Whether they've been able to keep up with that pace throughout the years I don't know, but I do know that the early 686s (the ones with the stamped side plates) were outstanding.

Another aggravation about the Python was the tiny pawl that rotated the cylinder. It quickly wore down and required precise fitting to replace, so the things would go out of time fairly quickly. (In fact, some Python shooters had their ratchets and their pawls hard chromed so they wouldn't wear, and some even hard chromed their bores once they were nice and smooth, so they wouldn't wear). Meanwhile, Ruger owners were just ordering pawls and installing them themselves, with minimal fitting.

I'd be tempted to get a Python if I could get a blued one is primo condition, but then I wouldn't shoot it; I'd just put it in the safe. And I wouldn't fool with a stainless Python, as the rich bluing was part of the draw. I'd rather get a 686, any 686, than a stainless Python.

One more thing. Pythons have horrible grips. Wide at the bottom, where the human hand is smallest, and narrow at the top, where the hand is more broad. It was the handgun version of Earth Shoes. (Anyone here remember Earth Shoes? Lots of sole in the front where the foot had to work, and narrow in the back, where the body regained its equilibrium. They thought it was the way to go until people began having foot and back problems!)

Anyway, that's my take. Other opinions may vary.
 
Accurate, definite "cool" factor and unlimited sex appeal. Angels DO sing when you pull the trigger. What's not to love ?
 
"...They told me that Python bores were tapered by .001" toward the muzzle, to drive the bullet deeper into the rifling. This is, if you think about it, quite a feat of engineering. It may be one reason why for so many years, people who preferred other revolvers paid gunsmiths to install Python barrels on them, creating a 'Smolt' when the tube was joined to an S&W and a 'Cougar' when mated to a Ruger." —Massad Ayoob
As much as I respect and admire Ayoob, he is, every now and again, a tad enthusiastic about products he admires. Even if he's correct about Colt's "push" technology, I still can't help but recall the early days of the Smith & Wesson 686 (referenced above). I don't ever recall seeing anyone replacing a 686 barrel with a Colt, though I can't say it never happened. It's just that gun testers of all stripes anxiously tested the 686 against the Python because of the obvious similarity in barrel style (full underlug). All over the country people were reported that the new Smith revolver was giving Colt Pythons a serious run for their money. In fact, most people couldn't really tell the difference. Whether Smith was employing the same technology or just watching their heretofore sloppy tolerances, I honestly don't know, but competition shooters began buying 686s like crazy.

Some folks said the Colts and Smiths were better because they were forged. Some said the Pythons were better because their bores were laser guided, and exactly centered. Most of the Smolts and Cougars were altered because of the twist rate, not the .001 taper, though who knows, maybe that was a factor. The only precise way to measure accuracy is by securing the guns in a rest and trying to eliminate all human elements, but then each gun could, and often did, exhibit its own personality, meaning that each gun was different to one extent or the other.

I had friends who bought Pythons, and some bought and sold several before they found the "one" they liked. But the same is true for other makes. They'd go into a store with their feeler gages and calipers and bother the owners to distraction trying to find the best specimen; and the only reason they got away with it was because they knew the proprietors.
 
I had Python fever, I had always wanted one. After I got it I was a little disappointed. I shot it a few times and sold it. But that's just me.
I've seen several nice ones for less than $900. I paid $500 for mine last year.
Usually the big $ ones are NIB and collectors are buying them to look at, not to shoot. Then there's the rare versions (3" nickel, etc) that are bringing thousands of $. But there again, that's for the deep pocket collectors.
Heck, try one. If you buy it right, you most likely won't lose any money when you sell it.
 
The early days of the S&W 686 were the early 80's, which were several decades after the introduction of the Python in the 1950's.

Ash
 
I'm inclined to agree with most of Confederate's assessment of the Smith-Python thing.
It would be harder to come up with an endorsement of the Python better than Smith having to pull out all the stops to match up. The 686 is indeed superb. I had a chance to get some good use of a friend's heavily-modified four-incher and it was really good. For me, the 586 would be better still, as I do tend to prefer blue. Sadly, I hesitated on a (also modified) six-incher last fall and it was gone when I went back for it. No doubt I was going to like it and shoot it plenty.
It's also a testament to a 19th-century design that it's still such a hot topic long after its departure, and still the model the remaining high-end DA sixgun maker is seeking to equal.
My Python is a mid-'70s one, and was heavily used before I got it for not too much money. I've been almost merciless, as pointed out in my previous post. I am pretty sure the gun hasn't seen any maintenance beyond cleaning. I estimate its round count to be upwards of 15,000, likely closer to 20,000. The hand is unmodified and original, and there's nothing amiss in the timing. Even today, it does not spit and has almost no gap flash, something I've never been able to say about any of the Smiths I've had. A contemporary Model 19 that I had and loved, with no more hard use than my Python, was a forest-fire menace.
This, and the other Pythons I've had, were nothing like that. My conclusion, based on my own experience over three-plus decades, is that the hand wear issue is of little practical significance. I understand others have had wear troubles, but I can't help but wonder, given the number of folks like myself with no noticeable hand wear issues, that something else, possibly even misuse, could be a factor. Closing a cylinder on a cocked gun, hand exposed, is one possiblity and might be considered a weakness of the design.
During the active life of the Colt D-E/I frames, the hand repair/replacement thing was simply considered maintenance. When there were plenty of Colt-skilled smiths about to do the work, it wasn't a big deal. Besides, not really all that many shooters pounded so many rounds through a single gun way back when. Nowadays, with the diminishing of the Colt legacy, it has become somewhat more of a deal. Time passes and things change.
Since none of the many D-E/Is I have show any signs whatsoever of needing hand work, I tend to ignore it. When the time comes, I'll send the thing back to Colt, where their shop continues to do excellent DA work at very reasonable rates.
The other issue for many is the different DA actions between the two makes. I hold that the Smith style, which I think of as a breaking neck break, is better for bullseye-type shooting such as PPC and NRA Action Pistol. The stage-and-break is suited for such work and frankly, during the longer shots of the PPC course I sometimes wish my Colt could turn into a Smith.
On the other hand, once accustomed to it, the Colt "stack" works better for fast stuff. For me, at least, during the fastest shooting such as USPSA and IDPA, a proper sweep of the Colt DA lets me shoot faster with equal or better accuracy, as the stack (slight in a proper action) tends to minimize the impact of the trigger and finger at the end of the firing stroke and helps keep the sights aligned.
I've tested myself against the timer enough to be satisfied with that description.
What the Python had best of all was handling and balance. While I never considered myself a "Python person", I've come to realize that when it comes to leaving holes in the center of action-shooting silhouettes, the Python nearly always gives me the best overall results.
I will agree that the Colt E/I handle shape isn't the best, especially for people with none-too-large hands. But equipped with Hogue finger-groove stocks, especially the Monogrip, the disadvantage disappears. I prefer the V-frame Colt ergos best of all, followed by the Smith K, but a rubbered-up Python is so little less good it really doesn't matter.
But I guess I just plain like my gun.
Bill
 
I have a Python and love it. Great gun.

My daughter has been shooting since age 6 and when she turns 15 later this year it is time for her to have a revolver. It will not be a Colt.

As much as I love my Python, her first revolver is going to be a 686.

Is the Python better? Well maybe but not twice as good. I bought her a 7 shot stainless 686, did a trigger job, bought her 2 holsters and still saved 500 dollars.

Out of the box the Smith is 90% as good as the Colt and after a little work is just as good.

The Ruger is a great revolver too, albeit a bit heavy.

Don't you love that we have so many great choices?
 
"Ahhh dear John and dear friend of the Hall of Famer rimfire Gunsmith world champion, I'm hoping you're just bustin my stones here, but report back asap as we're sure going to be holding on tightly to see what is said about a gun that was made for 50 years and that is world renown & known to be very accurate for some reason or another."

You've lost me. I replied to a post about slugging a Python barrel. You posted something about ball bearings. Barrels are slugged with soft lead - I've done it to .22s with pulled bullets looking for bulges and tight spots. (Bill Calfee has written a number of interesting articles in Precision Shooting on slugging barrels to identify where to cut the blank, etc.)

I replied that I'd ask a local gunsmith about the difficulty of slugging a barrel with a .001" taper. IOW, would I even notice that .001". Now, you've posted something that's so far out there I don't know what you're talking about. Go back and reread the thread would you. You're lost.

John the Python owner
 
I always heard that Colts will outshoot Smiths due to the tigher bores. I have tested my Colts against My S&Ws in side-by-side comparisons and in most cases the Colts shot better.

This is a group from my 6" Python using full-power Magnum ammo (125 JHP@1600 FPS).

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Same ammo through a 1938 Registered Magnum. Good group but the Colt shoots better.

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This 1950 Model 44 Special is no slouch. But the Python still shoots better.

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Dang, SaxonPig, you went ahead and posted that picture of that Registered Magnum, and now I've broken out in a sweat, just like I said.
My keyboard's mad at you.
At least the .44 was "just" a 1950 and not a Triple Lock.
Bill
 
Bought my first Python used in 1969 it was made in 1964, I sure wish I had it now. The issue with wear mostly comes from fast double action shooting, the second hand design puts a lot of force on the hand when rotating the cylinder fast against the clyinder stop. I wore out a couple of hands this way. Shot mostly single action or at a more sane double action pace the hand will last a long time.

Accuracy was excellent especially with 148 hollowbase wadcutters over 2.7 of bullseye. The barrel quality on the older guns at least, is as good as it gets on a revolver. My stock Python would shoot as good off the rest as any custom barreled revolver I built. Never tried to test whether the barrel is tapered or not, but an airgage should prove it or not.

Besides the price difference the S&W is more popular in PPC competition because the Colts action is smooth but it tends to stack and the Smith doesn't. Well, unless you had Moran do your Python action. You will see all kinds of DVDs and books on how to tune your Smith action on the kitchen table but not for the Python. That's because the Python action is much much less forgiving to a small mistake and hard to fix if you mess up.

The coolest conversion I did was to put a Python barrel on a Trooper Mk3. Unless you know Colts pretty well you couldn't tell it wasn't a true Python. Couldn't think of a good name for it but my friends were impressed that I could afford 2 Pythons.;) Ross
 
I rather buy King Cobra. Not fond of the python, although good for collection purpose if you want to have the complete snake series.
 
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