Columbus Day!
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rcellis
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What's this "we" kimosabe? Everybody I know are at work today. (I don't know many post office workers or government employees.)
CraigJS
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Me being the old fart that I am, think that Columbus day should still be on the 12th. I'm tired of seeing these dates changed to a monday just for convience.. Besides the 12th is my birthday!!
Be safe.
Be safe.
A program on Dicovery Channel tried to say Columbus was not born in Genoa! Of course he was, after all there is a statue of him on the waterfront in Genoa, I was there I saw it !!!! And he brought back to Europe lots of goodies which Europeans now call their 'traditional foods' -tomato, peppers,chocolate,potaotes,corn, avocado etc, etc.
Hmmmm.
Not so sure all my ancestors are as happy about Columbus Day.
Not so sure all my ancestors are as happy about Columbus Day.
Probably every group of modern people got where they are today by driving out, butchering, or absorbing the previous inhabitants of their land, Indian tribes included. I feel bad for the Indians, the Bretons, the Samnites, the Canaanites etc., etc., all the way back to the Neanderthals, but I'm not going to feel guilty about it.
American By Blood
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I'm with bouis.
Unfortunately, Columbus Day is a non-event in Baltimore. I think the Italians are probably doing something in Little Italy, and the banks are closed, but that's about it.
In five or so years when Columbus Day is replaced by "Indigenous Peoples' Day" I'm sure every place will shut down out of reverence.
Unfortunately, Columbus Day is a non-event in Baltimore. I think the Italians are probably doing something in Little Italy, and the banks are closed, but that's about it.
In five or so years when Columbus Day is replaced by "Indigenous Peoples' Day" I'm sure every place will shut down out of reverence.
CSA 357
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yes i had to work today, but i got paid double time! (csa)
(csa)bigun15
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How old are you?
Why celebrate him? He was an utter crackpot. Everyone knew exactly how big the world was. C.C. had the whack-job theory that it was really half as large. He didn't listen to his (Basque) navigators who told him to go South far enough to catch the prevailing winds. He didn't know where he was when he got there, and all he could do was enslave, murder and steal. To his credit he repented of his evil in his last days.
Murderous nut case. Why celebrate him?
Murderous nut case. Why celebrate him?
hatterasurf
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I was in Baltimore yesterday and they had a parade down by the harbor. Theres not much more you can do for the day, except maybe sail a ship. 
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"Probably every group of modern people got where they are today by driving out, butchering, or absorbing the previous inhabitants of their land, Indian tribes included. I feel bad for the Indians, the Bretons, the Samnites, the Canaanites etc., etc., all the way back to the Neanderthals, but I'm not going to feel guilty" about it.
Exactly.
"Probably every group of modern people got where they are today by driving out, butchering, or absorbing the previous inhabitants of their land, Indian tribes included. I feel bad for the Indians, the Bretons, the Samnites, the Canaanites etc., etc., all the way back to the Neanderthals, but I'm not going to feel guilty" about it.
Exactly.
SigfanUSAF
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Tellner, I agree. Why do we celebrate a meathead who got lost? To this day Indians are misnamed due to him and his crews inability to properly circumnavigate the globe
I have to wonder...how many of you would be here today if not for Columbus? I'm not talking about..."Well my great-great-great whatever was full bood what the hell ever....". I'm talking about 100% full blood Indian. No mixed race anywhere along the family tree. And yes, my wife's great-great grandfather was full blood Oklahoma Chacktaw, which still doesn't mean **** because she ain't full blood Indian. So without Columbus my entire family, along with millions of others, wouldn't be here today. Think about that one for awhile.
rcellis
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About the invading europeans - there is some emerging evidence that there were people in North America when the 'american' indians came over the land bridge from eastern europe - and that *these* 'native americans' were out-competed (that is, wiped out) by the invaders.
Bottom line: there isn't a human being alive who doesn't have ancestors who whacked *somebody* on the head and took his land.
Regretable - but a fact of the human condition. Has no effect on how I deal with my next door neighbor, or the guy down the block.
Bottom line: there isn't a human being alive who doesn't have ancestors who whacked *somebody* on the head and took his land.
Regretable - but a fact of the human condition. Has no effect on how I deal with my next door neighbor, or the guy down the block.
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About the invading europeans - there is some emerging evidence that there were people in North America when the 'american' indians came over the land bridge from eastern europe - and that *these* 'native americans' were out-competed (that is, wiped out) by the invaders."
I've read that also.
About the invading europeans - there is some emerging evidence that there were people in North America when the 'american' indians came over the land bridge from eastern europe - and that *these* 'native americans' were out-competed (that is, wiped out) by the invaders."
I've read that also.
Shweboner
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Columbus Day is a joke. Why the hell do we even observe it?
So 600 +/- years ago some knucklehead lands his ship NOWHERE near what is now the US. And that is an excuse to shut down the system?
USA wasnt even a country until +/- 300 years after this event, and its been over 200 years since then, and again HE DIDNT LAND IN AMERICA!
Why then did I not get my mail picked up today?
Let the Dominicans or Puerto Ricans celebrate VD, all the wonders of Europe that ol' C.C. brought them. But it has nothing to do with us.
So 600 +/- years ago some knucklehead lands his ship NOWHERE near what is now the US. And that is an excuse to shut down the system?
USA wasnt even a country until +/- 300 years after this event, and its been over 200 years since then, and again HE DIDNT LAND IN AMERICA!
Why then did I not get my mail picked up today?
Let the Dominicans or Puerto Ricans celebrate VD, all the wonders of Europe that ol' C.C. brought them. But it has nothing to do with us.
LightningJoe
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Christopher Columbus! He thought the earth was smaller than it was; he went with the smallest estimate from ancient Greek sources. He was an optimist. Maybe not the best sailor;grounded and wrecked the ship he was directly commanding (Santa Maria). Very lucky guy. Good enough for me.
Plenty of people probably accidentally "discovered" the Americas before Columbus, but most were dead when their boats washed up on shore. Of those who survived, nobody seems to have made it back. The Vikings failed to live up to their tough guy reputation and were scared off; didn't bother to tell anybody.
Anybody who's descended from native Americans and who'd like to go back to the Neolithic, by all means refuse to celebrate Columbus.
Plenty of people probably accidentally "discovered" the Americas before Columbus, but most were dead when their boats washed up on shore. Of those who survived, nobody seems to have made it back. The Vikings failed to live up to their tough guy reputation and were scared off; didn't bother to tell anybody.
Anybody who's descended from native Americans and who'd like to go back to the Neolithic, by all means refuse to celebrate Columbus.
evan price
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Actually I celebrate Columbo day. Peter Falk was great!
mike101
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Shweboner
Howdy- Actually, VD was something that Columbus' men picked up from the natives, according to the History Channel, anyway.
Columbus was not a nice man. He was the first Conquistador. He discovered San Salvadore, not America. Amerigo Vespucci discovered South America. So who the hell did discover North America?
Does anyone know?
I'm half Italian, and I used to start fights with my relatives by bringing up the fact that the Vikings were here 500 years before Columbus. Italians don't react well to that.
So, who was supposed to have been here when the
Indians arrived? Anyone know where I could find info on that?
I'm proud of my Italian half, but not because of Columbus. I'm proud because of the Romans. They whacked everybody, and took their land.
Howdy- Actually, VD was something that Columbus' men picked up from the natives, according to the History Channel, anyway.
Columbus was not a nice man. He was the first Conquistador. He discovered San Salvadore, not America. Amerigo Vespucci discovered South America. So who the hell did discover North America?
Does anyone know?
I'm half Italian, and I used to start fights with my relatives by bringing up the fact that the Vikings were here 500 years before Columbus. Italians don't react well to that.
So, who was supposed to have been here when the
Indians arrived? Anyone know where I could find info on that?
I'm proud of my Italian half, but not because of Columbus. I'm proud because of the Romans. They whacked everybody, and took their land.
The Vikings had other problems like weather changes and politics back home that made the whole Vinland colonization less attractive.
Now the Basque were probably the first Europeans to come and stay for a while. Long before Columbus they were bringing back stockfish from they wouldn't say where. Trust a fisherman to keep quiet about where they're biting You need a lot of space to spread out the cod to dry it for stockfish. It's something you do on shore, not in barrels on shipboard. The best guess is that they had discovered the Grand Banks fisheries and were drying the fish in what is now Nova Scotia.
Two excellent books since we're on the subject:
Why We Eat What We Eat by Raymond Sokolov
and
Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky
Now the Basque were probably the first Europeans to come and stay for a while. Long before Columbus they were bringing back stockfish from they wouldn't say where. Trust a fisherman to keep quiet about where they're biting
You need a lot of space to spread out the cod to dry it for stockfish. It's something you do on shore, not in barrels on shipboard. The best guess is that they had discovered the Grand Banks fisheries and were drying the fish in what is now Nova Scotia.Two excellent books since we're on the subject:
Why We Eat What We Eat by Raymond Sokolov
and
Salt: A World History by Mark Kurlansky
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