Combat 22!

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.22 have been used for silent killing with silencers for many many years. Usually a long barreled pistol though.
Head shots are used with .22, it will kill you just as fast as any other firearm that way.
Dont underestimate the .22 and what you can do with it. Heck, some guy made a video of him bringing down a wild boar with an air rifle, by shooting it in the eye at the right angle.
 
While I question the stopping/ending power of a 22lr round at an extended range in social situations, I would not want to be on the recieving end.
If you are laughing at the round you should find a buddy and tell him to try to hit you at 100 yards, but you may want to get your affairs in order first. :neener: (Disclaimer: if you are stupid enough to do it it's your own damn fault.) Really, how many 22lr 40 grain bullets can you catch with your noggin and still keep ticking?

As far as I am concerned, I have placed center shots into clay pigeons at 80+ paces off hand, and hit many squirles, stationary or running, at 100 yards or more. I assure you at 100 yards the Winchester Super-X still went through the squirles. This is with my 10/22 and a cheap Bushnell 3-9 scope, and my body ~20 years younger. :D So, not my first choice, but I would not casually stoll towards the shooter if they were aiming at me.
 
In case it has slipped your notice, the U.S. Government uses a .22 for it's combat weapon. It's a POS for combat and all the raving in the world won't change that. No penetration, no knock down power at longer ranges and rifles that are delicate and need constant cleaning to even function.

So there!:neener::neener::neener::neener:
 
I have killed just about everything that walks, crawls, flies, or swims in the southern U.S. with a .22 long rifle, it would not be my first choice of SHTF weapons but I would not feel ineffective at all with my M-4 (with the conversion unit), GSG-5 carbine, or my Glenfield mod. 60 ( other than the reloading issue).

All of the usual suspects can say that a .22 is worthless for anything other than punching paper or sniping squirrels, but you tell that to all the "daisy pushers" that were on the receiving end of a .22, because more Americans have been killed by .22's than by .38's, .357's, 9mm's, and .45's combined.

As far as type of ammo, you can't beat off the shelf solid lead long rifle. Hollow points have thier place for improved accuracy, but I would rather have a more solid projectile for better penetration.

And on the effective range issue, best kept under 125 yards. I know that the BBB's (big bore bullies) are laughing thier heads off about now, and I know that it might not be a very effective single round stopper, but I know that I can put three rounds in a 4" circle at fifty yards before they recover from the recoil of their first round.;)


This is this! It's not something else, it's this

Don't pull it if you don't plan to use it, and don't use it if you don't plan to kill!

ALWAYS REMEMBER OUR MEN AND WOMEN OVER THERE
 
to Macgille I have put more ammo through my 10/22 without cleaning than anything else and it keeps on running as for the 22 bashing I specified that in my first post. It was to get your opinion on what type of 22 and accesories and how you would use it, not if you liked it:banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
Sorry, but "combat" would include assaults agains multiple enemies. A .22? Ain't gonna happen. "Defense" is another critter entirely, and it could well be that one might have only a .22 rifle availabe. The reason doesn't matter.

So, if I must defend my local area against probable-odds scenarios, I'd figure that any reliable semi-auto, tube magazine type should do. Or a Ruger 10/22, if spare mags were at hand when trouble started. "If you need more ammo, you don't need more ammo. You need more friends."

As a kid, I could do seriously bad things to chee-chee birds and crows and such with my old Remingtion 550. Some similar sort of rifle should do just as well.

Tactics? Sneaky-snake and cover. Shoot from behind whenever possible. "If you're in a fair fight, you're doing it all wrong."
 
I would go with a suppressed, fairly long barreled, bolt action, maybe with some of those aguila 60gr SSS rounds. I think that would be very quiet combination kinda like the movies. With a .22Lr I think your best bet would be to remain hidden in cover and just take pop shots when the opportunity arises.

if not that then maybe this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7elH...12949FEF&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=58
 
A suppressed, scoped, accurate, 22 LR caliber rifle that nobody knows you have and nobody expects you to use.....

They can laugh right up to the time that the bullet enters their eye socket at 100 yards and the guy next to them has no idea what happened.
 
The fact that you're asking which .22's would be best for this situation means that the question of choosing a gun is open. If that's the case, then don't choose a .22.

Let's just look at the facts. A .22 LR has a short range, doesn't penetrate cover well, has a poor record as a fight stopper and doesn't feed very reliably due to the rim on the cartridge. All these things put together make it a spectacularly poor defensive round.

Now if all you had was a Marlin 60 or a 10/22 and you were in a defensive situation, then you go with what you got, but if you have any ability to choose a more effective cartridge and you don't, well...

And just so you don't think I'm down on rimfires, I'm not. I think the .22 LR is one of the best cartridges out there. I'd just confine it's use to plinking, target shooting and hunting small game. For that it's excellent.
 
I know of multiple situations where someone defending their home (one was a 7 yr old kid) and killed the intruder/attacker with a .22 lr.
I know of 2 situations where a .22lr fired up in the air by some jerk came down almost a mile away and killed someone, it punched through their skull.
I know of several situations where people survived using a .22lr to hunt anything they needed, including large deer. I know of situations where deer were poached with .22lr over the years (imagine how many times it happens that we dont know about), by making head shots.
If you want to stand on the receiving end of a .22lr go ahead, I sure wont, I know what they can do.
 
Seriously, I wound never want to be shot by a .22, or for that matter, I ain't gonna stand in front of a Daisy Red Rider BB gun.
 
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If I HAD to make a "combat .22", it would be one which had a 1 in 9" twist rate, optimized for Aguila SSS 60 gr rounds, and was suppressed, because my idea of "combat" with a .22 is shoot to slow down the enemy, then escape, and quietness facilitates escape.

In combat I personally would take an american 180 if I could get my hands on one.
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Or wait, that's even better!

Hey wasn't it the main character on "Shooter" who used a .22 to kill one of the bad guys? At 200 yards. Unsupported while standing. While on a moving boat! :rolleyes:
 
Hey wasn't it the main character on "Shooter" who used a .22 to kill one of the bad guys? At 200 yards. Unsupported while standing. While on a moving boat!
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None other than the guy who can watch the bullet hit the target a mile away shooting a .408 CT...:D

I would get something like a 16" barrel either interraglly suppressed, or with a wraparound suppressor, and that can go either single shot or semi/full auto. (think a automatic with a bolt stop) I agree with Dr. Tad about the 1/9 twist for 60gr SSS ammo.
 
I ain't gonna stand in front of a Daisy Red Rider BB gun.
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Those suckers HURT! My buddy thought that was funny as heck when we were kids. He didn't think it was so funny after his dad took his BB gun. He never saw it again. (Had a miserable summer too). Nonetheless, even a low-power BB gun leaves an impressive little welt.
 
I know of multiple situations where someone defending their home (one was a 7 yr old kid) and killed the intruder/attacker with a .22 lr.
I know of 2 situations where a .22lr fired up in the air by some jerk came down almost a mile away and killed someone, it punched through their skull.
I know of several situations where people survived using a .22lr to hunt anything they needed, including large deer. I know of situations where deer were poached with .22lr over the years (imagine how many times it happens that we dont know about), by making head shots.
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No one is debating whether the .22 LR is or can be a dangerous round. That's a blatant straw-man argument. As a combat or self-defense round it's about the poorest choice you could possibly make due to reasons already listed in this thread.

If you want to stand on the receiving end of a .22lr go ahead, I sure wont, I know what they can do.
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I don't want to stand on the receiving end of a .177 caliber airgun pellet, or a kid shooting rocks out of a slingshot, either. Does that make them adequate choices for a combat weapon, too?
 
Special Operations have been using .22 LR and .22WMR for years with very good success,
But they get NO RESPECT.

Everyone from Aircraft Hijack Response Teams
(.22 isn't likely to over penetrate and kill the aircraft or civilians/hostages)

Recoil is EXTREMELY CONTROLLABLE,
And since 'special operations' teams normally attack the head of a target, even things like body armor aren't an issue.

Easy to suppress, inexpensive, reliable, accurate and super controllable they are VERY GOOD for close combat terrorist elimination operations.

I would expect to see the .17 HMR and .17 M2 start showing up in special operations larders pretty soon also.
Better range and accuracy an same controllability as the .22 LR and WMR...

Nothing like a suppressed .22 for taking out tires, lights, sensitive controls, ect.
And when directed at the correct body part, will stop a target just like the larger, more 'Manly' calibers will...

Personally,
All the 'Tactical' .22 Rimfire calibers I've seen are usually in CIVILIAN stocks,
Not those plastic things with mounting rails everywhere!
 
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