pangris
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So easy to talk schmack from the keyboard...
Come on, Clint Smith...do you hate Ruger?
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So easy to talk schmack from the keyboard...
Lloyd Smale
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God forbid someone bash a gun i own
especially if its a ruger! Tell you what guys. The man has triggered more guns in his sleep them most of the people on this fourm and i for one value his opion on what works and what doesnt. Hes actually used them in combat situations and there probably isnt two swinging +++++ here that have. I probably own more rugers then just about anyone here and for what you pay there fine guns but i cant find one in the safe that is box stock and i cant say that about the smiths i have. For the most part there DA guns are heavy come with poor actions and have quality control problems. On the up side there accurate and bull strong and can be made into a good serviceable gun. Clint has his preferences some probably because thats what he likes some probably because he gets kickbacks but who gives a rats ass. If they were giving you free guns and they worked youd be bragging them up too. As far as gunwritters go i know some personaly and if you cant understand that they make a living with what they write and there not there to save the world your living in a dream world. Go to a chevy dealership and ask a salesman what he thinks of a ford and what will he say! Put him in the ford dealership next week and see what he says about chevys. Just like you there just trying to make a living. Nobodys making you read the crap. I value the knowelge i can get from a man like him but i have enough common sense to read between the lines and not get my pantys in a knot over what someone else says. I carry and buy what i do because ive proven for myself what works i dont rely on someone else to do my leg work.
especially if its a ruger! Tell you what guys. The man has triggered more guns in his sleep them most of the people on this fourm and i for one value his opion on what works and what doesnt. Hes actually used them in combat situations and there probably isnt two swinging +++++ here that have. I probably own more rugers then just about anyone here and for what you pay there fine guns but i cant find one in the safe that is box stock and i cant say that about the smiths i have. For the most part there DA guns are heavy come with poor actions and have quality control problems. On the up side there accurate and bull strong and can be made into a good serviceable gun. Clint has his preferences some probably because thats what he likes some probably because he gets kickbacks but who gives a rats ass. If they were giving you free guns and they worked youd be bragging them up too. As far as gunwritters go i know some personaly and if you cant understand that they make a living with what they write and there not there to save the world your living in a dream world. Go to a chevy dealership and ask a salesman what he thinks of a ford and what will he say! Put him in the ford dealership next week and see what he says about chevys. Just like you there just trying to make a living. Nobodys making you read the crap. I value the knowelge i can get from a man like him but i have enough common sense to read between the lines and not get my pantys in a knot over what someone else says. I carry and buy what i do because ive proven for myself what works i dont rely on someone else to do my leg work.Lloyd Smale
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You have hit the nail on the head. This is what it all boils down to. Find what works for you and run what you brung. We talk so much about not being sheep on this forum, yet many blindly follow the gurus. Be your own man or woman and use common sense and personal experience when choosing which gun is best, which caliber is best, which gun manufacturer is best, which bullet is best, etc. This is not to say that asking for advice is bad (I do it myself quite often), but the ultimate decision rests with the individual.
And I can't believe I read this whole thing. These types of posts are growing stale.
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You have hit the nail on the head. This is what it all boils down to. Find what works for you and run what you brung. We talk so much about not being sheep on this forum, yet many blindly follow the gurus. Be your own man or woman and use common sense and personal experience when choosing which gun is best, which caliber is best, which gun manufacturer is best, which bullet is best, etc. This is not to say that asking for advice is bad (I do it myself quite often), but the ultimate decision rests with the individual.
And I can't believe I read this whole thing. These types of posts are growing stale.
Marshall
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I agree. But what does this have to do with the Richard Howe's original post?
And this is a negative thing? Small handguns are for non-responsible citizens?
I carry a ruger sp101 because I know it can shoot the 148 grain .357 magnum semi jacketed hollowpoints I like to carry and do it accurately and more comfortably than a alloy metal gun. I dont totally trust a .38 to do what a .357 magnum can do when needed. EVEN WITH A 2 1/4" BARREL A .357 MAG OUT POWERS A .38. Ruger and Self-Defense Guns
Ruger has some decent offerings, but I would agree that they haven't much updated their revolver line recently. I also think that part of the reason was their effort to appear "politically correct."
Smith & Wesson is back from the grave, and they are innovating in terms of both cartridges and the firearms designed to use them. I'm glad to have them back!
I still prefer autos for self-defense, especially the Glocks. I have to compliment them on their .45 GAP, although I don't know that I will ever buy one. Once you have become accustomed to the 10mm, there really isn't much else to consider!
Ruger has some decent offerings, but I would agree that they haven't much updated their revolver line recently. I also think that part of the reason was their effort to appear "politically correct."
Smith & Wesson is back from the grave, and they are innovating in terms of both cartridges and the firearms designed to use them. I'm glad to have them back!
I still prefer autos for self-defense, especially the Glocks. I have to compliment them on their .45 GAP, although I don't know that I will ever buy one. Once you have become accustomed to the 10mm, there really isn't much else to consider!
stiletto raggio
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I don't know jack aobut Clint Smith, but I do know that I love Rguers. That said, I think Bill's legacy still runs that company, even if the new management wants to try some newer, more innovative designs. But hey, someone has to make rock-solid tanks of handguns, even if that means leaving the svelte, sexy designs up to other companies.
Mulliga
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I'm just bugged by the slogan. It implies that non-Ruger guns are for irresponsible people (i.e. criminals). Looking at the Ruger website, it's difficult to find any mention of "personal protection," "self-defense," or "concealed carry" in their firearm descriptions - compare with S&W and Taurus, who aggressively produce and market concealed carry firearms. This reflects the attitude that Ruger has held for years - the attitude that gives you the barrel billboard, the Mini-14 magazine drought, etc.
No knock on Ruger guns or their fans - I think Ruger revolvers are as good as anything out there in their price range. Hopefully, with new management, they can start modifying their business practices.
If they sold, then I'd expect to see more of them in gunshops here. But I don't, so I can only assume that demand isn't too strong and Ruger isn't serious about doing anything about it.
I own several Rugers and I really like their guns and their customer service. But I have to agree that they don't seem to be serious about producing defensive revolvers in the way that S&W and Taurus are (not that a Taurus is on my consideration list BTW). I don't necessarily think that Clint Smith is being anything but a blowhard here, just like the other three or four guys who make their money the way he does. They're a bunch of blowhards, even if they do know some things about guns. I have little doubt that they'd admit it, too, after a couple shots of good tequila.
But it would be hard to say that Ruger has shown itself to be serious about defensive revolver development and production when you look at the catalog and involuntarily start hearing Kajagoogoo songs in your head.
And yeah, I have never felt a factory S&W DA trigger that felt like a Ruger lever-action ooops double-action revolver. Smiths don't all feel like they've been tuned, but they do appear to be designed for actual use. Factor a set of new springs into the Ruger purchase price.
To the guy who doesn't think you can shoot .357 in an Airweight, you're wrong. It's not fun to shoot a whole box, but the gun shoots amazing groups and perfectly manageable for defensive use, e.g. the 5 shots it holds, at least by an average-sized man in good physical shape. I wouldn't pass it to my wife to shoot it, because she has some wrist issues. But I wouldn't hand her a snubbie SP101 with heavy loads in it, either. She does fine with a .44 Mag; it's the snap, not the recoil that's an issue.
Of course, Ruger's resources are probably still all going into rushing their $2000 plain-jane side-by-side shotgun to market.
Personally,
I believe that Ruger was left out because they are not innovative in any way. However, I believe that the management of Ruger is highly competent and eschews innovation purposely. They understand their core competencies and employ strategies that are in line with them. Thus, we get standard, recycled models built to excellent quality standards. Ruger makes wonderful firearms, but doesn't feel compelled to push the envelope as does the new S&W.
It is also quite likely that were we allowed in their boardroom, we may discover that the investment casting concern is the primary focus of the company these days, and not firearms.
I believe that Ruger was left out because they are not innovative in any way. However, I believe that the management of Ruger is highly competent and eschews innovation purposely. They understand their core competencies and employ strategies that are in line with them. Thus, we get standard, recycled models built to excellent quality standards. Ruger makes wonderful firearms, but doesn't feel compelled to push the envelope as does the new S&W.
It is also quite likely that were we allowed in their boardroom, we may discover that the investment casting concern is the primary focus of the company these days, and not firearms.
HK91 is right, except that sometimes consultantese is the road to slow decline.
Ruger's success has been built on innovation. One reason that the Blackhawk is a successful product is that Ruger saw a market and decided to build it. Ditto for the .22 handguns, semiauto carbines, hand cannons, etc. They were all innovative.
I'm betting they'll do something new, soon, but it will be one thing, a relatively sure thing, rather than a whole bunch of new products that might crash and burn. If they don't, eventually they'll fade away as they're seen by new buyers as grandpa's gun company.
Ruger's success has been built on innovation. One reason that the Blackhawk is a successful product is that Ruger saw a market and decided to build it. Ditto for the .22 handguns, semiauto carbines, hand cannons, etc. They were all innovative.
I'm betting they'll do something new, soon, but it will be one thing, a relatively sure thing, rather than a whole bunch of new products that might crash and burn. If they don't, eventually they'll fade away as they're seen by new buyers as grandpa's gun company.
P. Plainsman
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Weird. Sounds like a California thing. They're ubiquitous out here in the Midwest; even the S&W stocking dealers carry the SP101 and GP100 lines.
That doesn't change the fact that this:
. . . was funny.
I suspect the same about the people who set the specs for current Smith & Wesson J-frames.(My 4" GP100 has one of the best DA triggers of any of my guns, with no gunsmithing. But I admit it's a standout.)
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S&WIowegan
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Rugers and Clint
Maybe Ruger hasn't shown Clint any respect I 've been to Clint's classes and am going back.....I'm a junkie all right.....plus I get to see some purty country. I am not a Clint hero worshipper though. Clint runs out of things to say pretty fast and he's opinionated and rude.
I personally love S&W guns and collect them. But, I would not ever rely on one of the new do-hickey revos to save my life
They are marketing pizazz junk I own Ruger SP101s and GP100s that I trust totally.
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Bob.
Maybe Ruger hasn't shown Clint any respect
I 've been to Clint's classes and am going back.....I'm a junkie all right.....plus I get to see some purty country. I am not a Clint hero worshipper though. Clint runs out of things to say pretty fast and he's opinionated and rude. I personally love S&W guns and collect them. But, I would not ever rely on one of the new do-hickey revos to save my life
They are marketing pizazz junk I own Ruger SP101s and GP100s that I trust totally.End of comment
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GruntII
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If ruger really wanted to do something to get back in the defensive revolver game they would restart production of the Service /Speed six line up in 4 and 2 3/4 inch barrels. I love my 3 in model 19 but my speed six 2 /34 inche 9mm is a great carry gun.
Marshall
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A lighter weight SP-101 in .38 special would be a seller IMO. I would buy a stronger 642 without having to spend $690.00 retail price on a S&W 640.
BTW, what does S&W mean by this statement about the Airweight series in regard to the Bodyguard and +P? You can only shoot +P out of it?
"They are available in three distinct hammer styles – the "Chiefs Special" with exposed hammer, the "Centennial" frame with fully enclosed hammer and the "Bodyguard" frame (.38 S&W Special +P only) shrouded hammer."
BTW, what does S&W mean by this statement about the Airweight series in regard to the Bodyguard and +P? You can only shoot +P out of it?
"They are available in three distinct hammer styles – the "Chiefs Special" with exposed hammer, the "Centennial" frame with fully enclosed hammer and the "Bodyguard" frame (.38 S&W Special +P only) shrouded hammer."
pangris
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Nothing less than amazing.
gandog56
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While I have a Ruger Superblackhawk and 2 Ruger Semi's, the gun I absolutely shoot most accurately with is a 20+ year old Taurus 66, 6" barrel. I am Deadeye Dick with that pistol. But I wouldn't touch a Taurus semi, heard way too many horror stories.
Marshall
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Change doesn't necessarily mean for the better. The SP-101 seems to work pretty good as is.
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