Ruger bringing new stuff to the table

[MidRoad]

I see where they stated the barrels were sleeved and shrouded. I din't see any explanation as to why. I always suspected this system was used because it made it easy to set the barrel/cylinder gap and then install the sleeve/shroud without having to fit the barrel so that when screwed in it was properly indexed. With a two piece barrel you just screw in the barrel to the proper depth and then fit the sleeve over it. Perfect fit every time.

Yea makes sense. I sent my gp100 to Ruger because the barrel had a cant to it ,so my front sight was canted I had my rear sight maxed to the right and the gun still shot left a few inches at 7 yards. Came back fixed and didn't cost me, so I was happy

 

[Charliefrank]

X2 No doubt Smith started doing the shrouded barrel because the accuracy of Dan Wessons. A Dan Wesson is excellent even at very long ranges which is why during the silhouette days everybody was using Dan Wessons.

Not me, I used an 8 3/8" model 29 the entire time I shot silhouette. I did however use a Dan Wesson when shooting combat

 

[warnerwh]

Have two foreign made autos (Walther PP Pre war and an FEG SMC 1990's era) that seem to want to go full auto when fed Federals. My guess is that rather than tightening quality control (like CCI does) they've loosened it up to the max SAAMI allows and it shows.

Both guns love CCI (both standard and HiVel) as well as Thunderbolt

Not me, I used an 8 3/8" model 29 the entire time I shot silhouette. I did however use a Dan Wesson when shooting combat

The model 29 at the time had problems of becoming loose from having numerous max loads however there were a few. A few Blackhawks were there too. The Dan Wesson .44 is also much heavier than a model 29 or Blackhawk so shooting hundreds of rounds didn't do as much damage to the shooter.

 

[cal44mag]

The OP forgot to mention the reintroduction of the 3" SP101 in .327 Federal Magnum. This new version has fixed sights:

That's cool.

Here is another new Ruger 327 Federal.

I think it's a Lipsey's distributor exclusive:

 

[SteadyD]

They've released several new models I really want. 8 shot 357, 7 shot 357, 3 inch 327. They're trying to ruin my marriage as best I can tell.

 

[Armybrat]

GaG has the 3" SP101 .327 Federal in stock @ $509 plus $7.99 shipping:

https://grabagun.com/ruger-sp101-327fed-3-ss-fs.html

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I have a very difficult time believing that "cheaper" is somehow more accurate. (or "better"in any other way.) But then again, I've never owned, shot, or handled one, either.

 

[RealGun]

Yea makes sense. I sent my gp100 to Ruger because the barrel had a cant to it ,so my front sight was canted I had my rear sight maxed to the right and the gun still shot left a few inches at 7 yards. Came back fixed and didn't cost me, so I was happy

But Rugers don't have problems, remember?

 

[MidRoad]

But Rugers don't have problems, remember?

Neither do john deeres. But somehow I make a living turning wrenches on them.

 

[Panzerschwein]

I'd like them to bring out a top break, even if it's in a tame cartridge like .38 special.

 

[mcb]

I'd like them to bring out a top break, even if it's in a tame cartridge like .38 special.

If anyone came out with a top-break double-action revolver in just about any center fire cartridge my credit card would come out so fast you would think it was a switch blade.

 

[MidRoad]

If anyone came out with a top-break double-action revolver in just about any center fire cartridge my credit card would come out so fast you would think it was a switch blade.

Little off topic,but whenever I get a quick glimpse of your avatar I think it's a Yoda silhouette. Did not realise what it really was untill I clicked on it today

May the right to arms be with you

 

[RealGun]

If anyone came out with a top-break double-action revolver in just about any center fire cartridge my credit card would come out so fast you would think it was a switch blade.

They are actually out there, brand new and true to the originals. Uberti is big in that sort of thing. But I guess these are single action.

 

[mcb]

They are actually out there, brand new and true to the originals. Uberti is big in that sort of thing. But I guess these are single action.

Yeah that's the problem I have run into all the modern top break actions are single action catering to the SASS community. My first choice would be a copy of a 455 Webley but I would be open to just about any double-action top breaks.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Yeah the Ubertis are single action guns.

NAA is coming out with a .22 magnum break top, but I sure wish for one in .38 special that is double action.

It's an oft mentioned thing, and people react well to the idea. I think they'd sell. Something like a modernized Webley. It should kick the emptys out and be cut for moon clips if the user wants to use them, or they can just use speedloaders or load singly.

 

[JeeperCreeper]

If anyone came out with a top-break double-action revolver in just about any center fire cartridge my credit card would come out so fast you would think it was a switch blade.

Yes to this!!!

Or even their 7 shot GP100 357 with Novak sights like their 6 shot Wiley Clapp version.
Or a new hammer fired auto.
Or a PCC that uses mags.
Or the Deerfield carbine again.

 

[Ranald]

a Webley-type in .44 special would attract my attention. 4" or 5" inch barrel, 6-shot, standard grip ( not birdhead or oversize "target")...

 

[Coal Dragger]

For those worried about a sleeved barrel if memory serves Willi Korth made his revolver with a sleeved barrel. Those are arguably the finest double actions ever made.

 

[wildcatter109]

X2 No doubt Smith started doing the shrouded barrel because the accuracy of Dan Wessons. A Dan Wesson is excellent even at very long ranges which is why during the silhouette days everybody was using Dan Wessons.

Sorry but everyone was not using them. They were very competitive. But they also were not ever a dominant gun in any category, there were more widely used revolvers. The other thing I would ask myself is, if this is a dominant revolver configuration why did Dan Wesson fade from the industry? Even when Smith and Wesson goes belly up, someone is willing to buy them and keep making them.

Lastly, this is in my opinion a better way to make money. It will be very interesting to see if it is or can be anywhere as durable, and reliable for the long run. The fellow that came up with the shroud barrel theory was employed by Browning at the time. I wonder why Browning never jumped on it back then, they obviously were no stranger to innovation. Then like I said, why when Daniel Wesson accommodated him and built these revolvers, why did they fade from the industry? I won't be buying one, I hope it works for them, but I like my handguns fully dipped in steel, and built with as few parts as possible,, including one piece barrels, just old fashioned I guess?

 

[Coal Dragger]

Sleeved barrels are not really that “new” a technology. Pretty common in naval rifles, which were known to be pretty accurate, as well as needing to be durable.

Although in naval rifles it is called a built up gun, and the sleeve would be a barrel liner. Same concept though in many ways.

 

[CraigC]

In this case, it's strictly a cost-cutting measure.

 

[If1HitU]

Skip to 13:50, Jerry explains a bit. Not sure it increases accuracy myself

I really enjoyed the video,thanks!

 

[Panzerschwein]

That's cool.

Here is another new Ruger 327 Federal.

I think it's a Lipsey's distributor exclusive:

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THAT is a peach. Might have to own that one.

 

[Coal Dragger]

In this case, it's strictly a cost-cutting measure.

Maybe, but unless you’re a Ruger employee in accounting or engineering that is just your opinion. The only ones who know the actual rationale are not you or I.

Even if it is a cost cutting measure, if it is still as durable, and results in just as good or better performance than an old style barrel... what’s the problem?

For reference Grant Cunningham doesn’t seem to take issue with the tensioned sleeved barrels in a Korth. They have a reputation for being very accurate, and they are sure not built with budget considerations in mind....

http://www.grantcunningham.com/2016...vers-made-korth-is-finally-coming-to-the-u-s/

 

[CraigC]

Maybe, but unless you’re a Ruger employee in accounting or engineering that is just your opinion. The only ones who know the actual rationale are not you or I.

Even if it is a cost cutting measure, if it is still as durable, and results in just as good or better performance than an old style barrel... what’s the problem?

For reference Grant Cunningham doesn’t seem to take issue with the tensioned sleeved barrels in a Korth. They have a reputation for being very accurate, and they are sure not built with budget considerations in mind....

http://www.grantcunningham.com/2016...vers-made-korth-is-finally-coming-to-the-u-s/

No, it's not 'just' an opinion. DA revolver barrels are terribly expensive and complicated to make. A single action barrel is just a round tube but every feature you add on top of that, such as ribs, ejector shrouds, front sight ramps and full underlugs adds complexity and expense to its manufacture and barrels cannot be cast. The two piece barrel makes this more easily accomplished. They can use the same sleeves for every model of the same caliber. The outer barrel shroud can be made out of an easier to machine alloy and even cast into shape.

There have been reports of barrel failure in S&W's. My biggest gripe with this is that they cannot be serviced by anyone but S&W. They cannot be removed, replaced, shortened or otherwise manipulated by a gunsmith. It's the same with MIM parts. All you can do is replace them. Two big things that make them nearly disposable. That simply does not appeal to me.

S&W's and Rugers are not Korths or Dan Wessons. You're right, I'm sure there are no cost-cutting measures present in a Korth. I also seriously doubt your average Korth owner is going to have his barrel shortened, or his gun otherwise modified by a gunsmith. Dan Wesson barrels are interchangeable and that precludes any of the issues that could be had with the S&W's or Rugers.

And I hope you understand that there are folks on this forum who have regular conversations with manufacturer employees and engineers.