Come over to the dark side: Join APS

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Not completely on topic, but a recent thread about forums (can't stand: fora--too hifallutin) allowing politics and gun talk made me think the mods will give me a pass.

It is a little slow over there sometimes, but, if you join maybe you can speed it up a bit. I joined on coronation day last Tuesday and found the perfect place to rant on politics and the media.
 
John828 maybe I will see you over there in the near future. I have been kicking it around for awhile now. Since you have formally invited me I may just jump on in.
 
I say we go over there in full force but have your arguments ready because they take their coffee straight over there--no cream and sugar. You might just get flamed by an administrator and a moderator. Well, not flamed, but at least called on the carpet.
 
I am a member there as well, but I tend to lurk there.

Maybe I'll start splitting up my posting a bit.


-- John
 
JWarren, let me say this, "I respect most of your posts over here."

When I read your sig, I often think that your name is a thread killing word because sometimes your concise coherent argument should silence the crowd. For example, on the Oh no...thread:

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these guns don't belong on the street...that has nothing to do with what people have on their property or at the range.


What qualifies as "on the street?"

I carry my AR in my truck much of the time. This is perfectly legal here-- and oddly enough, we don't have this kind of thing happen around here.


Let's change this to:


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these PEOPLE don't belong on the street...that has nothing to do with what people have on their property or at the range.


The GUN didn't kill ANYONE. The criminal did. My friend, I fear that your thought-process is taking you down the road of the anti. As soon as you start looking at the TOOL, and not the fact that PERSONS took the action, you are well on your way.

It is an ignored and inconvienient fact that the tools are only a source of empowerment to the person's desires. It is the PERSON that makes the choices.

When you speak of the tool, you are effectively saying that you are seeking ways to limit the ABILITY to do harm, not the DESIRE to do harm. Is that the world you want to live it? A world where people's ABILITY is limited? If so, where does that end?


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Have to say that this thread, if not this entire discussion, surprises me a bit.
I'm guessing that it was started because of the brief and well-reasoned go-round yesterday regarding the lack of daily participation on APS as opposed to what takes place daily on THR: 40 or so members in debate over there vs. 2,000 or so members over here.

What I don't understand is why so few folks are active at APS. It seems that political discussions break out here daily on almost every imaginable thread; most of them are clamped down quickly, if not immediately, with the mods urging folks to take their arguments and discussions and comments across town to the APS. But apparently it doesn't happen, and I'm left to wonder why.

It can't be a reluctance to take the couple of minutes to register. It surely can't be a lack of interest in all things political. It can't be reticense to share an opinion, as is witnessed daily by the many threads that quickly evolve into political discussions here.

All of which make me wonder all the more: Why is it that the APS forum isn't a raging inferno of political discourse? And I ask the question with a straight face.
 
All of which make me wonder all the more: Why is it that the APS forum isn't a raging inferno of political discourse? And I ask the question with a straight face.
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The same reason the desks of our representatives are not flooded with pro-2A letters. Many want change but are not willing to expend the effort to effect it.

ETA: Also there is the laziness factor of switching between forums. As well as the fact that some people (like myself) have to stay in the shallow end of the political pool because they'll drown in the deep end. I still try post over there though because I won't learn politics if I don't try. Here at THR when a thread gets political, one does not necessarily have to go too deep; in fact, most just state platitudes and a few talking points, so it is pretty much politics-lite. Over there, like I said, you better get some thicker skin and arm yourself with some facts.
 
I went over there once to look around. To be honest all I saw was a bunch of griping and arguing.

I know one should never judge a forum by one thread, but the first thread I looked at was by a senior member here spouting off at how much he hated and despised the GOP VP nominee, and west-coast people in general.

I used to be interested in discussing politics on-line, but got rather burnt out. I realized that people generally believe what they choose to believe, and logic and reason make little difference either way.

On the internet, you never know if someone is a 60 year old rocket scientist or a 13 year old kid without a clue.

Something someone told me always comes to mind. It's rather offensive, especially if you know or care for someone mentally handicapped, so no offense intended:
"Winning an argument on the internet is like winning an event in the special olympics. You may feel like a champion, but you're still a re----"
 
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Over there, like I said, you better get some thicker skin and arm yourself with some facts.
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Quoted for truth.

I kinda like the smaller group. You get to know people that post. You know that Tallpine will have some smart remark about everything, that everything is Fistful's fault, and that Manedwolf will find something to get all work up about.:neener:

Oh yeah, watch out for Mike Irwin's ban stick too.:D
 
Just a little warning:

It can get a little slow over there, but the more people who join and the more they post, the action should heat up a bit. Don't get discouraged. Start a thead or two.
 
Funny, I just posted this in another thread -

I guess I should have thrown it in here:
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=423192

That being said, I THRIVE on all the discussions on those 'other' Forums. But, when you want to get down to brass tacks about reloading and 'gun talk', THR is a darn good place to be! I could post links to more forums than you'd have time to shake a stick at, I guess some of us are just more 'web junkies' than others...
 
I hear you, hexidismal. I was just trying to drum up some business. People are complaining that we cannot talk politics here at THR, but they are reticent to go where it is encouraged. I post here much more as well, and it is nice tohave a place to rant when the need arises.
 
Oh I didn't mean there was anything bad about APS. It's a great forum with mostly the same good people that we all know here on THR and a much broader range of topics. All I meant was that it's even a curiosity to me why APS doesn't appeal to me personally more than it tends to do.

I guess in my case it's probably that I talk mainly with my "real life" friends about any and all assorted topics, and am mostly satisfied with that. When it comes to firearms though.. living in a mainly liberal New York, I turn to my online people for support of my beliefs and primary hobby. To be fair though, I've made a 'real life' friend or two here on THR.

So, thanks for your support THR ! ..hehe
and APS is a fine place too, I highly recommended people who enjoy this forum joining up over there also. :)
 
Yeah, I looked it over. Pretty much the sound of one hand clapping loudly, if you get my drift. Why would I bother debating smug, sarcastic know-it-alls? I'm generally on the wrong side of just about everyone on any given subject, even at THR, with the exception of RKBA.
 
I am really thinking about it. I am getting sick of not being able to talk about anything for an extended period of time here. I really like how many people are here, but it rediculous when threads keep getting closed, posts deleted, etc. Great, let me guess, this one is done now too...right before I submit this.
 
They can close this if they deem fit; it won't hurt my feelings.

Lemmycaution,

Being on the "wrong side" of things doesn't mean you're wrong and having some disagreement over there would not be a bad thing at all. It takes all types to make a forum well rounded.

lanternlad,

Read my first post. Self-admittedly this is not entirely gun related. If the mods give it a pass, so be it. If not, then it will be locked and float to the bottom of the THR ocean. I originally opened this thread because there was a thread about large gun forums that allowed political discussions. I offered APS as an option.
 
Why is it that the APS forum isn't a raging inferno of political discourse? And I ask the question with a straight face.
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I sometimes read interesting stuff over there, and my take is this: it seems to operate more as a small club than an open forum. A few members are the ones who do most of the discussing among themselves.

Let's see, you got a couple of wolfs, a little girl's daddy, a small demon from the mines of Moria, an unknown aircraft contact, ruger the dog's owner, a shooter with no head:eek:, a guy who wears tactical trousers and some dude who apparently is responsible for absolutely everything that goes wrong in the world, from stubbing your toe on furniture, to the rising price of ammo, Obama winning, and even Global warming (or is it global cooling now?). That pretty much compromises the entire active roster of APS:p
 
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