Compact .45s

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Hey everyone.

Of the compact 1911 style firearms which do you feel is the best bang for the buck?

I am leaning towards a compact kimber, however I would like the opinions of others. I am not looking for something that isn't too tricked out(don't have 1800 to spend on it), being reliable is the major concern.
 
I'd suggest you take a look at the Para ordnance 'Black Watch' .45. Here's a link to the reviews area of the Para site. Scroll down until you find the articles on the 'Black Watch'. It's a very safe, accurate little .45, albeit a bit heavy.

Another choice would be the Taurus Millenium Pro .45's. Very compact and light, quite inexpensive at $400.
 
I have to add my +1 to the Taurus comments. I was always a 1911 guy, and had no use for DAO, DA/SA or SafeAction platforms. But the PT-145 is about as similar in operation as you can get to a 1911 with the thumb safety being right where you'd "expect" it to be. Mine has been utterly reliable, and is about as compact and lightweight as you would want. Some 1911 platforms get a little questionable in reliability as the size gets smaller. John Browning designed the 1911 as a full sized handgun and that's how it functions best. I've found my Taurus to be a *very* good combination of size, power, price, and reliability.

-jb
 
I say Colt Defender or the Colt new Agent Both have been perfect fromm the very first round. . My para pig was just that a pig Neve be another Para Ord in my home
 
In a 1911-style, as was the original question, I would recommend a Charles Daly. They are cheap Filipino knock offs that are primarily cast or MIM, but they tend to work very well and be pretty darn accurate.

Plus, CD service is second to none. The big boss for CD even posts on this forum from time to time.

Paras are good guns, but you have to know how to tune a compact 1911 if you want one that is reliable. My P12-45 is incredibly reliable, but when I got it the gun would jam every three rounds. A detail strip and cleaning and replacing a few springs with the right ones and voila. A primo compact.

If you want to be dead certain you are getting a reliable, quality 1911 compact for under $1,000 there is only one way to go - Colt.

Or, you can learn a lot about 1911s and do what I do - buy a quality gun that someone is selling because it always jams. Then you fix it. I've never had a jammomatic that couldn't be fixed for under $100.

If you can find a Norinco compact snatch it. They are built to better specs than even Colt. They may be the finest non-Colt 1911s ever built.

My hobby is customizing 1911s. I build a few for friends and I customize some for friends. I work with three platforms. Colt, pre-Series II Kimbers and Norincos. Aside from those the only other platforms I'll consider are things like Caspian or Fushion.

I wouldn't own a Brazilian gun any longer than it takes to trade it off. At the risk of offending the Taurus and Springfield owners, they are crap. Stay away from them.

Bear in mind, when you save money up front it will cost you down the road. I really like the CDs and Rock Islands when they are new, but 20,000 rounds later they get sloppy and can't be properly tuned.

If you really want a nice gun for cheap look into the EAA Witness P Compact. I paid $300 for mine last year and it shoots as well and is as reliable as any of my 1911s. And, all my 1911s are in the $1,000 to $3,000 range. The truth is that it is the most accurate .45 ACP I own and that really ticks me off...
 
I agree with going with the Colt Defender, very good gun in a small package. Best of all it is about the size of a Bersa 380.

The Taurus PT-145 is a subcompact gun, not really a compact due to its width. It uses some Heine sights which take a bit getting used to but it holds a decent amount of ammo.

If money permits get the Colt, better overall gun and is a 1911 like you want. I had the Taurus and sold it, I am a much better shooter with 3-dot sights.
 
It's for carry right? Why not the RIA Compact. Sarco has them for like $339.00 right now. It's inexpensive, Very reliable and accurate. Your not out of the pocket too much. And if you do bang it up, remember it's for carry. Not a safe "queen type" pistol you'll cry if you scratch it. I've got 2, love 'em.

PS. they also have lifetime warranty's. Good Customer service.
 
Springfield loaded ultra compact is my favorite. Mine has had some work done by the SA custom shop and a good hardchrome job, and is the V10 (ported) model. No matter what the commandoes say about ported guns, I have shot this one in every imaginable scenario and have found basically all of the arguements against ported guns to be FALSE. The recoil and flip is nil, it's reliable very accurate for a 3.5 inch gun and not terribly expensive, especially on the used market.
 

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I have 2 of the para cwx645b. They have both been back to the factory for different repairs. They both still have problems feeding hardball once in a while. One came back from repair and the action feels full of grit now. I would not recommend them. For the money I was expecting to get working guns, not a do-it-yourself project.

If I trusted the guns to work I would like them. The LDA hammer prevents snagging in a pocket.
 
It's for carry right? Why not the RIA Compact. Sarco has them for like $339.00 right now. It's inexpensive, Very reliable and accurate. Your not out of the pocket too much. And if you do bang it up, remember it's for carry. Not a safe "queen type" pistol you'll cry if you scratch it. I've got 2, love 'em.

PS. they also have lifetime warranty's. Good Customer service.

I second this. I wear one every day.
 
Here's my 'little friend'........

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This is a Series I. It shoots to point of aim and I had MMC night sights put on so I could, if I wanted to, shoot different ammo and adjust accordingly.
 
hk45 compact functions like a 1911 in cocked and locked capability plus DA/SA. It also has an adjustable back strap for the perfect hand/grip fit. Accurate as the shooter can be. Don't know about the buck part. I don't mind paying for something that I think is "top shelf". Others disagree, no doubt.
 
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I say go with the PT145.

video:

Shooting my PT145

Its one of my favorite guns...

Nice pistol, and nice video! But I can see that I wouldn't like the amount of trigger travel on that one. There's nothing like a 1911 trigger!
 
If your not ruling out used, you might look for the original .45 compact.
Detonics Combat Master. I'm somewhat prejudiced about the Detonics. Mine has been 100 % from day one when I bought it new in the early eighties.
It is the most accurate out of box 1911 that I have ever shot, or owned.

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My old man recently bought the 4" version of the Kimber linked-to below

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=126850959

He had never really been a 1911 guy, but thought it was time for a change and liked the idea of the Crimson Trace LGs from the factory. I thought this was a step forward.

Well, upon getting the gun home and tinkering with it, he came to me a couple of days later lamenting how much more complicated a machine, and take-down procedure, the Kimber is/entails.

He then pulled out the weapon the Kimber was to replace, his late-90's HK USP 45 Compact, to illustrate how much simpler it is, at least in terms of field-stripping. It produces roughly the same accuracy, to boot.

As yet, the Kimber has NOT replaced the HK, and I no longer consider this a step backward.
 
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