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Ok the replies to my ouestions have been great thanks to all who have. From your responses I think that the zastava m882 might be to big and that a poly frame gun should be fine. Now which one is best for 300 or less? I am looking at the Taurus pt709 the sccy cpx2 (not a big fan of da only though) and the high point compact nine. The high point would give me a lot of room because of price possibly allowing me to keep my current pocket pistol which would have to be sold to afford a more expinsive gun. I want a gun that fits in the pocket and is reliable. Thanks
 
for $300 or less id lean towards the kel-tek PF9. im not a fan of built in locks so that eliminates several guns (and concerns) for me. the PF9 has been around long enough that for its intended purpose it is a good gun.
 
What is the safety mechanism on a pf9 ? I really like the size and 5 lb trigger. Still like the price on a highpoint.
 
you might not like the weight of the Highpoint, its zinc alloy slide make it heavy and blocky. the PF9 is a standard trigger, not as long as a D/A revolver but longer than a Glock.
 
I recommend the PF-9 for the reliability, money, weight, and bulk. Less comfortable to shoot than many pistols but lower bulk and weight make it more comfortable to carry than most pistols.
 
ussmarshall said:
What is the safety mechanism on a pf9 ? I really like the size and 5 lb trigger. Still like the price on a highpoint.
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There is a hammer block that just as it is named blocks the hammer from the firing pin until the trigger is pulled. After firing, but before the slide is back in battery the hammer follows the slide but is blocked by the hammer block from contact with the firing pin. Check out a PF-9 manual online for a more detailed explanation.
 
Sar B6PC.
Poly frame, light enough to carry yet comfortable to shoot.
Hard chrome barrel.
13+1 with ability to use 16, 17, 18, 19, and 26 round CZ75 mags.

Great trigger.
DA/SA with manual safety.
Carry cocked and locked.
Carry hammer down, safety off.
Carry hammer down, safety on.
Your choice.

Fits perfectly into a Desantis Soft tuk for a G19 if you want to conceal it.

Quality is miles ahead of Keltec, Taurus, and Hi Point.

Sarsilmaz has been building guns for over 100 years.
The Tanfoglio design "enhancements" of the CZ are proven and reliable.




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^^ And it's price is?

I carry the PF9 as well, and it's done well by me for several years. Not pleasant to shoot, but plenty manageable, and easy to carry.
 
how big is it compared to the kel-tec or taurus? I looked around online and could not really tell it seems kind of big. I have always carried in my front pocket with a nemesis holster.I like the da/sa trigger better than any other design that would sell me on it if it is small enough ,I could find one here in arkansas,and I could afford it when I did. I am really liking the pf9 right now because its small and affordable.
 
It's the size of a G19 roughly.
Or more accurately a CZ75 Compact(which it is essentially patterned after).
It's not a subcompact. It's a compact. But it's nice and light.
You'd want to carry iwb for sure.
Very comfortable to carry.

I had a 709 slim at one time. You need some pretty big pockets for one.
It doesn't work too well with jeans. You can stuff it in but a clean draw is tough. A PF9 iirc is even a slight bit larger than a 709.

Here are the dimensions for a B6PC:
http://www.sarsilmaz.com.tr/en-us/b6c-black/568/Page.aspx
 
I had a sig p228 at one time it seems that it is about the same size maybe a little thinner.
 
It probably is as the poly frame allows a thinner grip than removable panels. It feels a hair thinner than my CZ with thin aluminum grips.
 
ussmarshall,

Perhaps you should define what "small" means to you. For me any pistol that has a loaded weight greater than 20 ounces is not small. A pistol can have a short barrel and short grip but because of its thickness, like the Sar B6PC mentioned in post #8, and the loaded weight like the Sar B6PC mentioned in post #8, it is really a large pistol masquerading as a "small" pistol. I feel the same about Glock 26/27 pistols, too thick and too heavy. Times have changed from the days when all steel 2" revolvers were considered small pistols and 9mm semiautos that are just as thick and heavy as them are now really "large" pistols.
 
I have the 709's, SCCY's CPX1, glocks, and a few others. For the money, and compared to the Taurus, I prefer the SCCY. I know I'm probably going to get some grief from this statement, but I think the SCCY is the best gun for the money, hands down. I have run the dickens out of the two I bought, and they will eat any of my +p reloads without a single hiccup. But just to be fair, I have put the Taurus 709's to the test also, and they have been just as reliable, and every bit as accurate.

So, the thing to do is buy what you like, what fits your hand, and then learn to shoot it well.

GS
 
I guess you are right in a sense Nom.

When I borrow my Dad's SAR occasionally it feels tiny compared to my steel CZ75 and S&W 10-6 4"
The two that I switch between most often.
 
The only advise I can give you, is from the heart and brain. You don't want to trust your life to guns that have more reported problems than any other, read what the Yankee Marshall says about cheap guns, "he's no expert", but make good common sense.
If there is one place you don't want to save money it's with what is meant to save your life.
the cheapest lowest end gun I would consider is a Shield in 9mm for under $400.00, You save money on other things not what is meant to protect your life. Get a 38 revolver before the guns you mentioned.
When a gun has 50% of the reviews in the negative column, that's just way irresponsible, when 1 or 2% would be too many. This is your life not an oil change.
 
gym said:
The only advise I can give you, is from the heart and brain. You don't want to trust your life to guns that have more reported problems than any other, read what the Yankee Marshall says about cheap guns, "he's no expert", but make good common sense.
If there is one place you don't want to save money it's with what is meant to save your life.
the cheapest lowest end gun I would consider is a Shield in 9mm for under $400.00, You save money on other things not what is meant to protect your life. Get a 38 revolver before the guns you mentioned.
When a gun has 50% of the reviews in the negative column, that's just way irresponsible, when 1 or 2% would be too many. This is your life not an oil change.
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Gym and I have gone down this line of reasoning before. He has a very good point in "If there is one place you don't want to save money it's with what is meant to save your life". However, any gun regardless of price must be tested before being depended on. That means if you find a cheap gun that is reliable it is just as good as an expensive gun that is reliable. Reliability is not determined by "reviews" it is determined by you personally testing the gun. My PF-9s work great. One last think, reliable does not mean the same thing as durable. Just asked someone who has a S&W M19 with mostly .357 Mag fired in it. Don't think that a reliable PF-9 means the PF-9 is as durable as other more robustly built pistols. They are shoot a little, mostly carry pistols.
 
I carry a Taurus 709 daily. No experience with the SCCY, but the Hi Point C9 is about as compact as a full size gun of other manufacture. Not knocking it, just saying its neither light nor compact.

I've heard good things about both the Kel Tec P9, also the P11.

The 'fit in pocket' requirement certainly eliminates the Hi Point, and probably eliminates the Taurus. Mine will fit in a coat pocket but not my jeans. Its a comfortable IWB carry. The one downside to the Taurus, I hate the external safety. Its unnecessary in my opinion. I aso hate the internal lock, and while not obtrusive, the LCI can snag.

I understand the mentality of 'its better to have an inexpensive gun you can carry now, versus money in the bank saving up for a more expensive gun but be unarmed'. I've been there enough times to have rotated through Hi Point, now Taurus.

I'm completely comfortable with the reliability and accuracy of my Taurus. So are most who own them, although not all. I'd rather carry a high end 1911, but my discretionary fund is going toward new ball joints on my truck, so...
 
Small to me is the pf 9 or ruger lc9 for both length and heigh,but also the wideth of the single stack. Nom what would you consider shoot a little I want a handgun that I can easily carry and shoot on a regular basis I want to be very familiar with it. I would consider a revolver but the lumps and bumps bother me for carry just not as smooth as an auto what is the high end gun you would recommend gym? I have looked at the sccy also its still on the list but I like the thin guns better single stack and the lighter trigger weight. Thanks for all the replies I consider them all very helpful. I have a 380 right now what I am looking to do is movie up in fire power.
 
I've heard great things about the Bersa BP9CC.
Just a little bigger than a PF9,
Supposedly has a fantastic trigger for a striker fired gun.
It is a Wilhem Bubits designed gun(guy behind the Steyr M9 & Walther PPS).
It sells for slightly over $300 but is a good shooter from everything I've seen.

If you really want to shoot all day though the Sar still can't be beat.

I don't get why folks are so hung up with carrying the tiniest little guns they can find nowadays.

I carry heavy guns everyday like many other people. The Sar compared to my CZ75 is night and day.

The 2:30 position seems to work really well for me. I do the pocket thing with my TCP as a back up.
 
Here is a size comparison list of the smallest 9mm pistols ranging from the Rohrbaugh R9 up to the Bersa BP9CC


Rohrbaugh R9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.2 in
Height: 3.7 in
Slide Width: .82 in
Width at thickest part of pistol: .95 in
Weight: 13.5 oz, magazine 1.6 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Boberg XR9-S (Shorty)
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.35 in
Length: 5.1 in
Height: 4.2 in
Width: .96 in
Weight: 17.5 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds

Kahr MK9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.3 in
Height: 4.0 in
Slide Width: .90 in
Width at slide stop: 1.0 in
Weight: Pistol 22.1 oz, Magazine 1.9 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Kahr PM9 / CM9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.42 in
Height: 4.0 in
Slide Width: .90 in
Width at slide stop: 1.0 in
Weight: Pistol 14 oz, Magazine 1.9 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Kimber Solo
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.7 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Width: 1.2 in
Weight: 17 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

SIG SAUER P290
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 2.9 in
Length: 5.5 in
Height: 3.9 in
Width: 0.9 in - 1.1" w/slide catch (roughly the same width as MK9, Kahr lists the width of the slide only)
Weight: 20.5 oz w/magazine
Capacity: 6+1

Diamondback DB9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.60 in
Height: 4.0 in
Width: 0.80 in
Weight: 11 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Kel Tec PF-11
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.6 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: 1.0 in
Weight: 14 oz
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Beretta Nano
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.07 in
Length: 5.63 in
Height: 4.17 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 17.67 oz
Capacity: 6+1

SCCY CPX-2
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.7 in
Height: 4.0 in (without mag extensions)
Width: 1.0 in
Weight: 15.0 oz
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Kel Tec PF-9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 5.87 in
Height: 4.3 in
Width: .88 in
Weight: 12.7 oz
Capacity: 7+1 Rounds

SIG SAUER P938
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.0 in
Length: 5.9 in
Height: 3.9 in (not counting magazine w/extension)
Width: 1.1 in
Weight: 16.0 oz
Capacity: 6+1 Rounds

Ruger LC9
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.12 in
Length: 6.0 in
Height: 4.5 in
Slide Width: .90in
Weight: 17.10 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Remington R-51
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.4 in
Length: 6.0 in
Height: 4.5 in
Width: .96in
Weight: 20.0 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Smith & Wesson Shield
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.1 in
Length: 6.1 in
Height: 4.6 in
Width: .95in
Weight: 19.0 oz
Capacity: 7+1

Glock 26
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.46 in
Length: 6.29 in
Height: 4.17 in
Width: 1.18 in
Weight: 19.75 oz w/o magazine
Capacity: 10+1 Rounds

Walther PPS
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.2 in
Length: 6.3 in
Height: 4.4 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 20.0 oz
Capacity: 6+1

Springfield Armory XDs
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.3 in
Length: 6.3 in
Height: 4.4 in
Width: .90 in
Weight: 23.0 oz w/empty 7rd magazine
Capacity: 7+1

Bersa BP9CC
Caliber: 9mm
Barrel: 3.3 in
Length: 6.35 in
Height: 4.8 in
Width: .94 in
Weight: 21.5 oz
Capacity: 8+1
 
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