Concealed Carry at a Party?

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I was at a party last night, parties happen occasionally. Seems to me that alot of people can't get together for a few without a loudmouth (or 3) getting hammered and snakey. Normally this person, or these persons show up uninvited. Luckily I'm sure most of us here are old enough to not have to put up with this anymore, people tend to settle down with age. Apparently I'm not there yet.

Anyway, to my point... What do you do with your weapon when someone, or some people want to fight? Drama tends to happen more often that not, usually for little or no reason. Provoked or not stuff happens and it happens fast. I'm thinking stash it in your car if you get a chance before anything happens. I don't want to risk being on the ground, or having my shirt pulled up on me, displaying my pistol. That would invite someone to grab it (big NO! NO!) or get their own I assume. Of course this could be a double edged sword as fights sometimes turn real ugly and then your gun is who knows where, in your car, and you can only hope to make it there if you need it. :uhoh: I've discussed this with a few people, and I'd like to know what you all think.
 
I'm not trying to sound flippant here, but my suggestion would be an emphatic "Don't go!" Seriously, what the heck are a bunch of responsible adults doing getting drunk and beating on each other? Or are they not responsible and/or adults?

I go to parties all the time, and your above scenario *never* happens. If it did, I would not hang out with those people again. Period.
 
You are crazy to put yourself in that situation, especially if you are armed.

I also think it is a bad idea to be drinking and carrying your weapon. If you shoot someone, alcohol in your system isnt going to make you look good.
 
Birddog has it exactly right - wrong party. If you are already there, don't get into the fight. Stowing it in the car when you see trouble coming is for sure a wrong answer; if you can get out to your car to stow the gun, just keep going.

As a practical matter, you pretty much give up your "right" to defend your your reputation when you carry a deadly weapon. Just wuss out and leave.

You will probably find that other benefits will start showing up when you no longer hang out with these folks.

JMG.
 
What do you do with your weapon when someone, or some people want to fight? Drama tends to happen more often that not, usually for little or no reason.
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What you should do is not be there in the first place. If it's your party, show uninvited guests the door. This isn't coming from an old fogey, I'm 21 and constantly have people over. Because of the guests I invite there never have been any fights.

If you're the one typically picking these fights, then in addition to avoiding the parties and places where you fight, you need to lock up the weapons until you learn to work out your problems with words. Weapons are a last resort to preserve life in defense; picking a fight that escalates to deadly levels is a forfieture of that right in most states, as it should be. Remember: Conflict Avoidance!
 
I agree with everyone who says keep going once you get to the car. I always CCW at parties and so does my husband, but we only go to nerd parties, Libertarian Party parties (same thing as nerd parties, basically) and belly dance parties and there has yet to be a fight at any of them. If there was, we'd quietly slip out.
 
Owning a gun means a life long commitment to deterence and de escalation. People who own guns are assumed to have more common sense then others and are therfore expected not to go places where there might be drinking or places that have have been known for violence.

I own many weapons and i always carry. This means i don't go to bars, walk down dark streets, go to colledge parties or other parties for that matter. I bought a weapon to defend myself, not to go to high risk places waiting for some ????? to pop off.
 
if these people are truly uninvited, why are they being allowed to stay long enough to get drunk, and then worse, fight?

i would have to say if you plan to drink , i hope you plan on NOT packing.

then= these guys , if they are so much trouble, well someone should keep them out to begin with, or make them leave right away.

pulling out a gun in front of drunk idiots is only asking for more trouble.

pointing a gun forcefully at sober morons will have a different effect (one hopes)
so if that is an option, i would maybe not even let them near the door that way.

but once they are there, and drunk, and you are already drinking
the gun should be in the car.
avoid the heck out of them. if you cant stand it get a group together and beat them out of ever wanting to crash your party again.

if no one will help get rid of them, i hate to say it , but find a better party,
they are not uninvited enough.
I own many weapons and i always carry. This means i don't go to bars, walk down dark streets, go to colledge parties or other parties for that matter. I bought a weapon to defend myself, not to go to high risk places waiting for some ????? to pop off.
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really well said
 
If the party looks like it's headed downhill, the best course of action is to leave before there is trouble (that's what I would do). If you're the host, you have the responsibility to keep things under control and if somebody decides to get nasty, they need to be shown the door.

Uninvited people at your party shoud be dealt with immediately before something goes wrong. If necessary, find some people who will help to remove them. IMHO, a gun will not help in this case at all. Call 911 and have the police remove them. The crashers are trespassing and the PD should handle that as a criminal act.
 
Notice how I never mentioned myself being drunk, or even drinking. :neener:

Nor did I insinuate I would brandish a weapon. Well I might if I got hit hard enough with a beer bottle. ;)

But yes, it would be best to just leave it in the car from the beginning I suppse.

And people who come to fight shouldn't be allowed, but that's not always your call to make.

what the heck are a bunch of responsible adults doing getting drunk and beating on each other
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Key word, responsible. You have to remember how stupid some people can act, especially when they drink, some people just shouldn't drink.

you pretty much give up your "right" to defend your your reputation when you carry a deadly weapon.
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That stands to reason

The moral of this thread is: Guns don't belong around drunks even if the person in posession of the gun isn't himself drunk
 
Notice how I never mentioned myself being drunk, or even drinking.
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you know after thinknig about it i kinda thought this was the case.

yeah the thing to remember is how stupid a really really drunk person can be.

DUDE= you are sober guy at a party, with DRunks needing a beating?????

BEAT ON!!! unlesss youre wildly outnumbered, i say ease back until they are good and ripped, then bump into them. hehe.

always fun when a torn up/wasted person comes at a ready/energetic person.

no really just do what birdog says below. im talkin crazy
 
Key word, responsible. You have to remember how stupid some people can act, especially when they drink, some people just shouldn't drink.
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Black Cat, all due respect, but all my friends drink, and none of them beat on each other. I stand by my above statement, if they started acting irresponsibly I would leave at that time, and not socialize with them again.

You really need to look hard at the people you're hanging out with. If they are the kind that act stupid when drunk (as you say above), you need to get away from them. No good can come of it.

I think you saying that you should leave your weapon in the car just indicates you shouldn't be there in the first place.
 
If you are carrying and a fight breaks out, you observe and let someone else handle it. If you routinely go to parties where you are not drinking, carrying, and fights break out, you might as well become a cop so you can have a good retention holster, pepper spray, batons, and tasers and get paid to break these fights up. Otherwise, stay out of it and let someone else break it up. If a knife or a gun comes out, now you have a tough decision to make regarding what kind of liability you want to take shooting at an armed person at a potentially crowded party in a residential area.

Being a CCW myself, all of the above situations I would like to avoid. One word could probably sum up the mindset of a person who carrys a concealed weapon: AVOIDANCE!

Well you could also use humble and alert too.
 
Alcohol and firearms don't mix. Period. For several reasons:

A) If the police show up, chances are very likely that you'll be hosed for carrying near an establishment that has alcohol. I'm not sure about the law everywhere, but many states restrict your CCW away from situations like that.

B) Even if you don't drink, your risk of facing harm dramatically increases when alcohol is involved. If you want to party, then party. But leave the weapon at home.

Basically you have the responsibility of making sure your weapon is controlled at every moment, and of mitigating any risk that may require you to draw. You can love to CCW, and you can love to party, but you should never combine the two.
 
All I can do is echo what's been said already: if fights occur at the parties you frequent, you really do need to find a new circle of friends ...

It took me a lot of years to figure out that if I was frequenting social affairs where the main entertainment event turned out to be drunken fools throwing punches over perceived slights, it was time for me to start socializing with the grown-ups.

Firearms have no place in large parties with large numbers of immature drunken people. Period.
 
Alcohol consumed or not, hosts might think poorly of guests bringing weapons to their parties. So might other guests. At least clear it with the host.

As others here said, guns & alcohol don't mix. Best not to party where you think you'd need to carry, even if it's just for the walk from the car and back.
 
Better choice of parties

If your going to a party where you feel you need a firearm for protection maybe you need better choices of the partys you attend. :rolleyes: I can't think of a better way to lose your CCW or end up in jail and court then to take a firearm to a party. ;)
 
As someone who carries a loaded firearm...............

pretty much all of the responsibility for situation asessment falls on your shoulders. Situational awareness is another thing altogether. You are responsible for maintaining 100% awareness of where you are, where you are going, what the current situation is, what the current situation might become.

So, as others have already suggested, if you even think that someone at the party might be agressive - don't go. From your description it seems that you had that inkling. If that is true, don't go to that kind of party, particularly if alcohol is going to be consumed. Alcohol + firearms = A situation to be avoided.

Okay, so you are there and someone "takes you on". Back away no matter what. Don't let your "macho" get in the way - even if others might think your courage might be suspect. Even if you have to appear to "turn tail and run" do it. Watch your 6 as idiots at parties are often not chivalrous.

Best advice is to avoid the situation if at all possible. :mad:
 
I agree with the "don't go" crowd ... if you're friends throw parties where there are routinely fights and other mass stupidity, look for new friends (or just don't go to their parties, not even unarmed).

Now if I'm invited to a party I will CCW because I CCW 24/7, but I don't have friends who throw the kind of drunken parties like I went to back in college.


If a fight breaks out at a party where it wouldn't normally (like duck hunt's "nerd parties") then remember one very important thing A concealed carry permit is NOT A BADGE ... YOU ARE NOT A COP. So unless someone escalates the fight to a "fight to the death" by introducing a deadly weapon, you have absolutely zero right to even think about touching your weapon (although its nice to have it "just in case").

If you aren't drinking, you'll make a nice witness to give the details to the cops when they show up (and I would recommend that YOU be the one to call).
 
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