Concealed carry: now more than ever?

[Arcticfox]

In light of the seemingly ever-more-common "mass shootings," the frequent conservative response is to arm more people, carry more often, or push to allow arms in typically restricted places (or all of the above). The only way to validate that theory is to put it into action. I feel we are only two or three more mass shootings away from some seriously restrictive legislation. With this possibility, I am thinking we may be in a "Kill or Cure" (pardon the expression) mode of not only defending our rights, but proving to our doubters, and maybe ourselves, that more armed people can create a deterrence. The thought is, start our own rev0lution, so to speak, to encourage all CCL holders to carry at all times, where legally allowed. Also, encourage annual tactical training to hone skills. Am I reinventing the wheel here? Or maybe I am barking up the wrong tree?

BTW, does anyone carry at work, even though your company forbids it?

Thanks for reading.

Arcticfox

 

[housepainter]

Two or three more terrorist shootings might kill any more attempts at "gun control".

 

[Red Wind]

^ It certainly may. Even liberals are alarmed by a Paris or San Berdoo type attack.. But the majority of them (at least for the foreseeable future) will continue their ideological statist attacks against the 2A.

It's ingrained in their DNA and Leninist Useful Idiot ideology, IMO.

 

[Spooler41]

Articfox, I own my business and yes I carry at work ,I also encourage
my help to do the same.

...................... Jack

 

[steelerdude99]

^ It certainly may. Even liberals are alarmed by a Paris or San Berdoo type attack.. But the majority of them (at least for the foreseeable future) will continue their ideological statist attacks against the 2A.

It's ingrained in their DNA and Leninist Useful Idiot ideology, IMO.

Even England needed a leader like Churchill to clean up the mess left by pacifist Chamberlain. Then they kicked him to the curb before the US even finished WW2 in the Pacific. Said differently, you may see a few folks asking what they can get in the way of a firearm due to "recent events". (Tell them, there is a 30-day waiting and a background check needed even if your state does not have those requirements ).

But IF the terrorism threat calms a bit, that'll end in a hurry.

chuck

PS: That is why I attempt to not tell many if and what I have.

 

[BSA1]

Or maybe I am barking up the wrong tree?

O.P.,

Without knowing what State you live in I don't what kind of trees you have but in the majority of States gun laws are being less restrictive and right to carry are being expanded.

States Expanded Gun Rights After Sandy Hook Massacre

"IOWA CITY, Iowa (AP) — The 2012 massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, in which a mentally troubled young man killed 26 children and teachers, served as a rallying cry for gun-control advocates across the nation.

But in the three years since, many states have moved in the opposite direction, embracing the National Rifle Association's axiom that more "good guys with guns" are needed to deter mass shootings.

In Kansas, gun owners can now carry concealed weapons without obtaining a license. In Texas, those with permits will soon be able to carry openly in holsters and bring concealed weapons into some college classrooms. And in Arkansas, gun enthusiasts may be able to carry weapons into polling places next year when they vote for president.

Dozens of new state laws have made it easier to obtain guns and carry them in more public places and made it harder for local governments to enact restrictions, according to a review of state legislation by The Associated Press. The number of guns manufactured and sold and the number of permits to carry concealed weapons have also increased, data show."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...643e4b0fccee16ee327?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 

[chicharrones]

BTW, does anyone carry at work . . . ?

Yes. Every day since I got my CHL in 2008.

I travel for work and most places I go to do not restrict carrying.

If any business has the proper Texas signage that prohibits carry, I don't get to carry in those places. Just the typical gun free zones, as we all know.

Honestly, I don't carry enough firepower to take on a terrorist. They would have to be close and looking the other way to have a chance of doing anything to end a terrorist attack.

 

[Red Wind]

I really do like BSA1's post. The optimism is quite refreshing. Alaska, Arizona, Vermont, Wyoming, Kansas, Maine all permitless carry now. Arkansas coming on board after the AG wrangle is settled.

Texas good to go open carry with a license soon, Florida may be joining in 2016.

It seems like a very Merry RKBA Christmas coming up to me!

 

[doctorjohn]

I carried at work a few times by accident. I forgot that my LCP was in my back pocket. Whenever that happened, I made my way quietly out the door to stash it in the vehicle, which was very close by.

We weren't supposed to have a firearm on company property at all. I figured they couldn't provide security for me to and from work. Also, we never did have any vehicle checks. I kept my vehicle locked at all times when I wasn't in it.

 

[Red Wind]

We weren't supposed to have a firearm on company property at all. I figured they couldn't provide security for me to and from work. Also, we never did have any vehicle checks. I kept my vehicle locked at all times when I wasn't in it.

They had dogs sniffing around the parking lots at the City I worked at for 20 years, Doctor. Those dogs can be trained to smell ammo. The cops loved to get those ammo hits.

They go to very far lengths these days.

 

[luzyfuerza]

The Israelis have shown pretty convincingly that having more "good guys and gals with guns" in society reduces the damage done in terror attacks.

Rigorous academic studies also show that "more guns=less crime" in US society.

This is all well and good.

However, we can't forget that the rationale for individual gun ownership in the United States rests squarely on the God-given right that every citizen has to defend himself and those he cares about against those who would do him harm.

Those who fight against individual gun ownership can argue with us about the first two points, but they can't say a thing (at least after Heller) about the third.

 

[brewer12345]

More than ever? I don't know. If you divorce yourself from the media hysteria, crime rates and firearm homicides have been dropping for decades. Most of the firearm deaths are now either suicides (presumably under the control of each of us) or in the 'hood. I don't live in the hood, so I don't spend a lot of time worrying about it. That said, I like learning new skills, so a CC class or two is likely in the cards for me in the new year. And if lone wolf terrorism is the wave of the future, all bets are off.

 

[hso]

seemingly ever-more-common

Statistically, they're no more common than they have been for a generation.

Keep in mind that home grown terrorists attacks like TX and TN and CA are fundamentally different than SC and OR mass shootings. We should always point out that domestic terrorists have an objective of creating fear and disruption for the public based on political goals while the other murderers are attacking for their own personal aggrandizement (which the media will gleefully provide).

 

[old lady new shooter]

Honestly, I don't carry enough firepower to take on a terrorist. They would have to be close and looking the other way to have a chance of doing anything to end a terrorist attack.

When we are discussing terrorist situations I think we have to remember there is quite a continuum there. The well-planned attacks by multiple well-trained terrorists are at one end of that continuum, but so far most of the lone wolf attacks, which are at the other end, seem to have been attempted by people who were somewhat unhinged in the first place and are much less "professional". The lone wolf ones have been far more numerous. I think a decently-trained person reasonably competent with a handgun could have a chance at stopping the latter type of situation.

 

[Warp]

"mass shootings" are not in any way common and thus cannot be "more common".

Please stop spreading that dribble.

Honestly, I don't carry enough firepower to take on a terrorist. They would have to be close and looking the other way to have a chance of doing anything to end a terrorist attack.

A lone psychotic gunman, which is not uncommon among the (exceedingly rare) mass shootings, isn't something a person would necessarily need "firepower" to successfully fight back against. All depending on the totality of the circumstanc

For my part I basically never carry anything smaller than a Glock 26 and, lately, typically have a full size.

 

[gun_with_a_view]

"mass shootings" are not in any way common

What planet do you live on?
http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

 

[mdauben]

In light of the seemingly ever-more-common "mass shootings," the frequent conservative response is to arm more people, carry more often, or push to allow arms in typically restricted places (or all of the above).

"Ever more common" is of course a fiction perpetuated my the media and anti gun groups. Incidents of "real" mass shootings have remained fairly constant for decades.

 

[Warp]

What planet do you live on?
http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

Define the term "mass shooting", as you are using it, please.

The top entry, as of this minute, in your link, is a 3 AM shooting with 0 deaths and 5 injuries resulting from an argument at a bar.

I fail to see how this, and the many gang/drug related shootings that are sure to fill much of the rest of that link, are in any way relevant to what we are talking about.

 

[mdauben]

What planet do you live on?
http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

Don't fall for artificially inflated numbers cooked up by anti gun activists. Only a small percentage of those are actual "gunman shooting up the school/church/office" mass shootings. The vast majority are gang crimes, etc.

 

[Red Wind]

This site comes up with 35 mass shootings from April of 1999 to August of 2015, a fraction of over 2 a year.

The following is a list of the most notable mass shootings that have occurred in the United States since Columbine in 1999

 

[TruthTellers]

Take the mass shooting threats from Islamic terrorists and crazed killers out of the picture and I would say that it is need now more than ever. We still have to deal with domestic terror threats from groups like the Nation of Islam, black lives matter, the next riot in an American city stemming from a police shooting, the Knockout Game, flash mobs robbing stores and beating customers and employees, and the gangbangers.

Then there's the less organized threats like the murders and rapists on the streets, occasional mugger, drunk vagrant, road rage incident, and nutcase they just released from the state hospital the week before.

Add to it the newfound appreciation for the right to carry, it's just good to do it to keep the anti's heads spinning.

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

People may begin to show more interest in carry now that the violence has stopped just being a New York reality show and reached a podunk place like San Bernardino. It's getting closer to home and more real.

I've gotten through 70 years including roughly twenty working in edgy areas without running into a situation requiring a firearm, though there have been some scary incidents. I expect that I will go through the next 30 or so years without running into a mass shooter or terrorist.

HOWEVER I get ticked when I hear someone say that CCW has not been effective against these characters, completely ignoring the fact that the incident was in a "gun free zone", that the speaker's ilk prevented the CCW from acting.

I also get ticked that they haven't the ability--even after viewing active shooter videos where the victims are close enough to use a fire extinguisher--to realize that the situations are NOT confusing and it does NOT take professional training to use a gun any more than the stationary supplies, fire extinguisher and canned food they are being told to use.

Sooo, I carry in part just to improve the chances that a perp will run into an armed civilian with a plan. Lightening DOES strike and people DO win the lottery and you never know where the whackos are going to show up.

Also I can't say I have the same level of confidence of not running into a home invader, car jacking or mugging.

 

[Zach S]

What planet do you live on?
http://www.shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015

Earth, you?

Even the liberal rag Mother Jones has debunked that myth...

http://m.townhall.com/tipsheet/chri...-shootings-statistic-is-really-wrong-n2089407

BTW, does anyone carry at work, even though your company forbids it?

If I was moved graveyard shift in a rough part of town, mentioned that I had my carry permit for ten years, specifically asked if I could carry my Glock 19, but was told "no, but between me and you, I wouldn't mind if you kept it in your backpack," I would not admit to carrying a Kahr K9 on a public forum...

 

[MedWheeler]

Let's not derail this thread into a "What constitutes a "mass shooting?" one, please.

That being requested, several law enforcement leaders, including at least two sheriffs in my state, have already made the public call for law-abiding citizens to "arm up."

I, too, am seeing a trend to villify the concealed carrier at least a little bit less in recent weeks, though this is still very shaky ground. I did read the article referred to in BSA1's post above (and on AT&T's Yahoo! site at that!) Even CNN's coverage has moved slightly to the right of where it had been (way left of center) in regarding lawful ownership and possession of firearms.

 

[Zardaia]

I'd like to see the arm up calls taken a step further. Pass laws allowing State/county/Local ranges to be opened to the public under controlled conditions with liability waivors, and volunteer leo or certified instructors donating time to give live fire classes free of charge just byoa. Considered part of the common/civil defense. Teach people both how to shoot at a basic lvl beyond simple CCW classes, and legal stressing this doesn't make you a cop cause you know there'd be "that guy." Wouldn't cost the gov a dime so long as there's protection against liability.