Concealed Carry on someone else's private property

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I understand that a citizen may conceal a weapon on their own property without a license. So my question is, Can you conceal carry on other's property WITH their permission wothout a license. The main Others would be say an employer. The reason I ask this is because I am 18 years old and cannot get my CCW until age 21. My work place has a pretty good potential of getting robbed and I'd like to defend myself if need be. And before alot of you spout off about my age, Federal and state law allows me to carry openly and even purchase a handgun from a private party legaly, so don't tell me I shouldnt even be carrying one. And yes I have been stopped by the law for OC with no problems. Anyway my boss says if I am allowed by law to carry concealed in his store then he will give me permission, but I'm not allowed to OC. Thanks for yall's help

Scott
 
I found a few links for you to look at. Does your place of work serve/sell alcohol? It would appear that you are at a loss here but I would consult an attorney for the most up to date information.


http://www.ohioccw.org/content/view/3902/97/


Ohio Revised Code Section 2923.121(A) prohibits the possession of firearms in any room in which liquor is being dispensed under a D class permit. A license to carry a concealed handgun under Ohio Revised Code Section 2923.125 (CHL) or 2923.1213 (TEL) does not allow you to carry a concealed handgun in a D class permit premises, as this is one of the areas forbidden by 2923.126(B)(4) (which merely recites back to 2923.121). 2923.121(C), which used to include an affirmative defense for handguns, no longer does so. The current affirmative defense is for firearms other than a handgun. It therefore appears that there is NO WAY to legally carry a handgun in a Class D bar or restaurant, open or concealed. The carrying of non-handgun firearms would be controlled by 2923.121(C), meaning you would have to prove an affirmative defense.


Do I need a license to carry concealed at my small business? PDF Print
Yes. After the effective date of Ohio's new concealed carry bill the Affirmative Defenses provided by Ohio law will no longer exist. This means that any business owner who relied upon the Affirmative Defense must obtain a license to continue to carry a firearm legally, even on your private property.


I am an employer. Am I liable if I allow concealed carry? PDF Print
The new law provides an immunity clause, but you should consult your lawyer. From the new section:
2923.126(2)(a) A private employer shall be immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to a licensee bringing a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer, including motor vehicles owned by the private employer, unless the private employer acted with malicious purpose. A private employer is immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to the private employer's decision to permit a licensee to bring, or prohibit a licensee from bringing, a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer. As used in this division, "private employer" includes a private college, university, or other institution of higher education.
 
This is certainly a time to get some competent legal advice in Ohio. This might be problematic for you since you aren't able to have a CCW yet. Don't risk it with just an opinion you might read here.

K
 
Federal and state law allows me to carry openly and even purchase a handgun from a private party legaly
Actually, Ohio law does not permit the private sale of a handgun to a person under 21. It is a gray area of the law as to whether it is illegal for you to purchase, but it is clear that it is illegal for someone to sell it to you.

2923.126(2)(a) A private employer shall be immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to a licensee bringing a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer, including motor vehicles owned by the private employer, unless the private employer acted with malicious purpose. A private employer is immune from liability in a civil action for any injury, death, or loss to person or property that allegedly was caused by or related to the private employer's decision to permit a licensee to bring, or prohibit a licensee from bringing, a handgun onto the premises or property of the private employer. As used in this division, "private employer" includes a private college, university, or other institution of higher education.
Note that an employer's immunity is limited to actions by a licensee. This means that they do not have immunity (and, therefore, may or may not have liability) for the actions of a non-licensee. That includes both non-licensee employees and non-licensee criminals, the latter of which may come to the business with an intent to do harm.
 
Ohio law is, as I am reading it, ummm, confusing. First, it is illegal for you to receive a handgun while <21 from anyone, private or FFL in Ohio according to Ohio state law. The only way I can see for you to legally come into possession of a handgun of your own in Ohio is if you were previously a resident of another state, you legally received the handgun in that state you were a previous resident of, and then you moved to Ohio, or you are a law enforcement officer in Ohio. See the quoted statute below.

So, I would say you are absolutely out of luck until you are 21. Also, if the employer furnishes you a firearm by having one on the premises when you are there without anyone else being 21, I would say they would be guilty and I wouldn't chance it. Notice the law says to sell or furnish which also leaves out the possibility of a gift. Also, follow the link and read the rest of that statute, they are serious about no one under 21 from getting a handgun.

Please do not get me wrong, I think you have absolutely every right to possess and carry at 18. 17 if you are in the military. But the Ohio law states otherwise. http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2923.21

2923.21 Improperly furnishing firearms to minor.
(A) No person shall do any of the following:

(1) Sell any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age;

(2) Subject to division (B) of this section, sell any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age;

(3) Furnish any firearm to a person who is under eighteen years of age or, subject to division (B) of this section, furnish any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age, except for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes, including, but not limited to, instruction in firearms or handgun safety, care, handling, or marksmanship under the supervision or control of a responsible adult;
 
And before alot of you spout off about my age, Federal and state law allows me to carry openly and even purchase a handgun from a private party legaly, so don't tell me I shouldnt even be carrying one.

And, you would be wrong -- on both counts. Given your tone, it seems you are looking more for vindication than advice.

We touched on this the other day, and I see you commented there too.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=351752

Carrying may not have gotten you in trouble yet, but you will not always encounter authority that shares your incorrect interpretation of the ORC.

Ohio law has a lot of gray areas, and if you wish to be the "test case" that clarifies them, carry at your own risk. At a minimum, you risk putting the family member or employer that supplied you with your handgun in a bad spot.

2923.21 (3) [No person shall] ... furnish any handgun to a person who is under twenty-one years of age, except for lawful hunting, sporting, or educational purposes.
 
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These have to be old laws. I carry my gun openly with no problems from law enforcement. If I were not allowed by law to even be in possesion, then I'd be charged and locked up
 
These have to be old laws. I carry my gun openly with no problems from law enforcement. If I were not allowed by law to even be in possesion, then I'd be charged and locked up
As a lawyer, I love you attitude -- as long as you pay my bills. :) Legal fees are how I make a living.

"These have to be old laws." Brilliant legal defense. Exactly how old does a law have to be to have expired? Or are you suggesting that because the laws we quote to you from the most current sources -- the same sources that the prosecutor and judge will use -- do not comport with what you think the law is or think it should be, it must not be the law?

There is uneven enforcement of all laws. This happens for many reasons. First, an LEO may not notice that you are breaking a law. Second, he may notice but hold a false belief as to either your age or the exact terms of the law. Finally, he may know your age and the law, but choose, in his discretion, not to enforce it against you. The latter can happen for a valid reason or as a result of favoritism and you may not even be aware when this occurs. None of these is a valid or effective defense the next time when you are charged.

Good luck in your journey.
 
Listen to Henry. He's a lawyer, and he's giving you good advice and not charging you for it.

Ask the shop owner to keep a shotgun behind the counter if you need protection,

Springmom
 
I stated this in the other Ohio thread. As my understanding of the Ohio law that I read, it is not illegal for ScottG1911 to be in possession of, to carry a handgun, nor to receive the handgun into his possession. It is a felony, however, for any person to sell or furnish him with the handgun to use for personal reasons. That is excluding only the uses such as (I am not quoting) hunting, target practice, instruction, ect UNDER THE SUPERVISION OF >21 year old adult. Now can ScottG1911 be charged as an accessory to a felony because he did receive the handgun? Who knows.....

I don't think the police could arrest ScottG1911 for having the handgun, but as soon as they ask him where he got it, that opens the big can of felonies by the people who gave him the handgun as a gift and by the people who sold the giftors the handgun if they knew it was to be given to a minor.
 
NavyLT, your points are correct and well taken. Also, if we are taliking about concealed carry limited to a place of business, it is unlikely to be discovered by a third party unless it is used in a defensive situation. In any event, it would be the employer who would be in the hot seat (no immunity for an unlicensed carrier), particulary if done with the empolyer's knowledge and permission.

I'm not giving Scott any advice at all. But if I were to advise his employer, it would be to say "no." That advice would have nothing to do with not trusting Scott. It would be because the owner of the business has much at stake. If the job is that risky, the employer should CCW or make sure that an employee with a CHL and who is carrying is there at all times the business is open. At the current time, immunity from suit against an employer (in Ohio) is limited to acts by a licensed individual.
 
Wow! From what I know of the ORC open carry is legal however concealed carry by unlicensed persons is only legal in your home in certain conditions.
Good luck to the OP on your decision. Here is the ORC 2923.12 which is the law regarding concealed carry by non-permitted persons:

2923.12 Carrying concealed weapons.
(A) No person shall knowingly carry or have, concealed on the person’s person or concealed ready at hand, any of the following:

(1) A deadly weapon other than a handgun;

(2) A handgun other than a dangerous ordnance;

(3) A dangerous ordnance.

(B) No person who has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code shall do any of the following:

(1) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and is carrying a concealed handgun , fail to promptly inform any law enforcement officer who approaches the person after the person has been stopped that the person has been issued a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun and that the person then is carrying a concealed handgun;

(2) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and if the person is carrying a concealed handgun, knowingly fail to keep the person’s hands in plain sight at any time after any law enforcement officer begins approaching the person while stopped and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the failure is pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by a law enforcement officer;

(3) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose, if the person is carrying a concealed handgun, and if the person is approached by any law enforcement officer while stopped, knowingly remove or attempt to remove the loaded handgun from the holster, pocket, or other place in which the person is carrying it, knowingly grasp or hold the loaded handgun, or knowingly have contact with the loaded handgun by touching it with the person’s hands or fingers at any time after the law enforcement officer begins approaching and before the law enforcement officer leaves, unless the person removes, attempts to remove, grasps, holds, or has contact with the loaded handgun pursuant to and in accordance with directions given by the law enforcement officer;

(4) If the person is stopped for a law enforcement purpose and if the person is carrying a concealed handgun, knowingly disregard or fail to comply with any lawful order of any law enforcement officer given while the person is stopped, including, but not limited to, a specific order to the person to keep the person’s hands in plain sight.

(C)(1) This section does not apply to any of the following:

(a) An officer, agent, or employee of this or any other state or the United States, or to a law enforcement officer, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns and is acting within the scope of the officer’s, agent’s, or employee’s duties;

(b) Any person who is employed in this state, who is authorized to carry concealed weapons or dangerous ordnance or is authorized to carry handguns, and who is subject to and in compliance with the requirements of section 109.801 of the Revised Code, unless the appointing authority of the person has expressly specified that the exemption provided in division (C)(1)(b) of this section does not apply to the person.

(2) Division (A)(2) of this section does not apply to any person who, at the time of the alleged carrying or possession of a handgun, is carrying a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued to the person under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code, unless the person knowingly is in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

(D) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A)(1) of this section of carrying or having control of a weapon other than a handgun and other than a dangerous ordnance that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the weapon and that any of the following applies:

(1) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in or was going to or from the actor’s lawful business or occupation, which business or occupation was of a character or was necessarily carried on in a manner or at a time or place as to render the actor particularly susceptible to criminal attack, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.

(2) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for defensive purposes while the actor was engaged in a lawful activity and had reasonable cause to fear a criminal attack upon the actor, a member of the actor’s family, or the actor’s home, such as would justify a prudent person in going armed.

(3) The weapon was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for any lawful purpose and while in the actor’s own home.

(4) The weapon was being transported in a motor vehicle for any lawful purpose, was not on the actor’s person, and, if the weapon was a firearm, was carried in compliance with the applicable requirements of division (C) of section 2923.16 of the Revised Code.

(E) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A) of this section of carrying or having control of a handgun other than a dangerous ordnance that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the handgun and that the handgun was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for any lawful purpose and while in the actor’s own home, provided that this affirmative defense is not available unless the actor, prior to arriving at the actor’s own home, did not transport or possess the handgun in a motor vehicle in a manner prohibited by division (B) or (C) of section 2923.16 of the Revised Code while the motor vehicle was being operated on a street, highway, or other public or private property used by the public for vehicular traffic.

(F) No person who is charged with a violation of this section shall be required to obtain a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code as a condition for the dismissal of the charge.

(G)(1) Whoever violates this section is guilty of carrying concealed weapons. Except as otherwise provided in this division or division (G)(2) of this section, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree. Except as otherwise provided in this division or division (G)(2) of this section, if the offender previously has been convicted of a violation of this section or of any offense of violence, if the weapon involved is a firearm that is either loaded or for which the offender has ammunition ready at hand, or if the weapon involved is dangerous ordnance, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a felony of the fourth degree. Except as otherwise provided in division (G)(2) of this section, if the weapon involved is a firearm and the violation of this section is committed at premises for which a D permit has been issued under Chapter 4303. of the Revised Code or if the offense is committed aboard an aircraft, or with purpose to carry a concealed weapon aboard an aircraft, regardless of the weapon involved, carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (A) of this section is a felony of the third degree.

(2) If a person being arrested for a violation of division (A)(2) of this section promptly produces a valid license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code, and if at the time of the violation the person was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code, the officer shall not arrest the person for a violation of that division. If the person is not able to promptly produce any of those types of license and if the person is not in a place described in that section, the officer may arrest the person for a violation of that division, and the offender shall be punished as follows:

(a) The offender shall be guilty of a minor misdemeanor if both of the following apply:

(i) Within ten days after the arrest, the offender presents a license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun issued under section 2923.125 or 2923.1213 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code, which license was valid at the time of the arrest to the law enforcement agency that employs the arresting officer.

(ii) At the time of the arrest, the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

(b) The offender shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be fined five hundred dollars if all of the following apply:

(i) The offender previously had been issued a license to carry a concealed handgun under section 2923.125 of the Revised Code or a license to carry a concealed handgun that was issued by another state with which the attorney general has entered into a reciprocity agreement under section 109.69 of the Revised Code and that was similar in nature to a license issued under section 2923.125 of the Revised Code, and that license expired within the two years immediately preceding the arrest.

(ii) Within forty-five days after the arrest, the offender presents any type of license identified in division (G)(2)(a)(i) of this section to the law enforcement agency that employed the arresting officer, and the offender waives in writing the offender’s right to a speedy trial on the charge of the violation that is provided in section 2945.71 of the Revised Code.

(iii) At the time of the commission of the offense, the offender was not knowingly in a place described in division (B) of section 2923.126 of the Revised Code.

(c) If neither division (G)(2)(a) nor (b) of this section applies, the offender shall be punished under division (G)(1) of this section.

(3) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(1) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree, and, in addition to any other penalty or sanction imposed for a violation of division (B)(1) of this section, the offender’s license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun shall be suspended pursuant to division (A)(2) of section 2923.128 of the Revised Code.

(4) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section is a misdemeanor of the first degree or, if the offender previously has been convicted of or pleaded guilty to a violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section, a felony of the fifth degree. In addition to any other penalty or sanction imposed for a misdemeanor violation of division (B)(2) or (4) of this section, the offender’s license or temporary emergency license to carry a concealed handgun shall be suspended pursuant to division (A)(2) of section 2923.128 of the Revised Code.

(5) Carrying concealed weapons in violation of division (B)(3) of this section is a felony of the fifth degree.

(H) If a law enforcement officer stops a person to question the person regarding a possible violation of this section, for a traffic stop, or for any other law enforcement purpose, if the person surrenders a firearm to the officer, either voluntarily or pursuant to a request or demand of the officer, and if the officer does not charge the person with a violation of this section or arrest the person for any offense, the person is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing the firearm, and the firearm is not contraband, the officer shall return the firearm to the person at the termination of the stop.

Effective Date: 04-08-2004; 03-14-2007


Please look at the effective date: 03-14-2007
Not old after all, we just had an update that eliminated some of the more onerous provisions.

Pretty much your only hope is that after an arrest, you can use the (E) provision to present a defense in your court case, providing you are not transporting in a car prior to arriving at your location.

Hate to say it, but Ohio law is pretty vague and contradictory sometimes and depending on the opinion of the arresting LEO you may or may not be in deep doo-doo.

I linked this up to the Ohioans for Concealed Carry web site. Let's see what gets said...

http://ohioccwforums.org/viewtopic.php?p=231698#231698
 
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If I were not allowed by law to even be in possesion, then I'd be charged and locked up

There's a street near my house that has a speed limit of 35. Every day people go down that street doing 40 mph. By your reasoning, the speed limit must not be valid as they haven't cited every driver doing that every day. Yet, now and then, I see someone pulled over on that street. I wonder how the "old law" defense works for them.
 
And here's the kicker:
(E) It is an affirmative defense to a charge under division (A) of this section of carrying or having control of a handgun other than a dangerous ordnance that the actor was not otherwise prohibited by law from having the handgun and that the handgun was carried or kept ready at hand by the actor for any lawful purpose and while in the actor’s own home, provided that this affirmative defense is not available unless the actor, prior to arriving at the actor’s own home, did not transport or possess the handgun in a motor vehicle in a manner prohibited by division (B) or (C) of section 2923.16 of the Revised Code while the motor vehicle was being operated on a street, highway, or other public or private property used by the public for vehicular traffic.

So the prosecution can raise into question how your handgun got into your house and can somehow prove that you transported it in an illegal manner into your home, than your concealed carry would be illegal in your own home.

So let's say you do transport it illegally into your home? Now what do you do? Do you exit the home with your gun, get in your car, drive around with your weapon being legally transported and re-enter your home? I won't comment on what I think of this provision in the Ohio law.
 
ScottG1911 said:
...I carry my gun openly with no problems from law enforcement. If I were not allowed by law to even be in possesion, then I'd be charged and locked up

In Ohio, you are not allowed to carry a handgun until you're 21 years old. If you're 21 or older, you have to have a CHL to legally carry a handgun, concealed, unless you are in your own home.
 
In CA a person can have a loaded firearm concealed on them with no license whatsoever on thier own private property or which is legaly possessed by them, home or business,(unless it is located in a prohibited location like a school, government building, state park etc.)
They may also permit an employee to do the same (which should be done in writing).
That may be limited to the actual owner of the property and not allow another agent of the owner to give such permission. Meaning your boss or admnistrator or other authority figure would not have the authority, unless the actual owner of the business or property.

It would be ironic if Californians have more rights in this area.

Now an employer cannot hire someone as a guard unless they are licensed pursuant to state law. Part of that includes a $500,000 liability insurance policy for the armed guard.
So an individual cannot simply be hired or employed in that capacity, but they can be permited to carry a firearm.
If hired in that capacity it must be through a licensed PPO defined in California Business and Professions Code Section 7582.1 as it applies here:

(a) A private patrol operator, or operator of a private patrol service, within the meaning of this chapter is a person, other than an armored contract carrier, who, for any consideration whatsoever:

Agrees to furnish, or furnishes, a watchman, guard, patrolperson, or other person to protect persons or property or to prevent the theft, unlawful taking, loss, embezzlement, misappropriation, or concealment of any goods, wares, merchandise, money, bonds, stocks, notes, documents, papers, or property of any kind; or performs the service of a watchman, guard, patrolperson, or other person, for any of these purposes.



The statute is long and there is several others that govern what a PPO must do to qualify to legaly serve in that capacity in the state.


To legaly conceal the firearm in that capacity they must have a CCW, or be an active or retired LEO in addition to an exposed carry permit, a guard card, etc, and must be an employee in that capacity of a licensed PPO.
A security guard may not act as an independent contractor to provide security services(nor can a LEO.)
The B&P Code authorizes BSIS(http://www.bsis.ca.gov/) to issue Exposed ONLY Firearm Permits. A concealed firearm carried even in the scope of that employment must be carried under a CCW license obtained just like anyone else must obtain thiers, from local Sheriff or police (unless they are active or retired LEO)


So you can legaly carry one concealed with permission from the owner. You cannot be hired for that purpose as some form of guard or to provide extra security by carrying unless licensed in accordance with the California Business and Professions Code.

P.S. generaly you have to be 21 or older to have a handgun in CA as all transfers must go through an FFL in the state which requires a person to be 21+ for handguns. There are some exceptions from 18-21.
 
So the prosecution can raise into question how your handgun got into your house and can somehow prove that you transported it in an illegal manner into your home, than your concealed carry would be illegal in your own home.

So let's say you do transport it illegally into your home? Now what do you do? Do you exit the home with your gun, get in your car, drive around with your weapon being legally transported and re-enter your home? I won't comment on what I think of this provision in the Ohio law.
This law is intended to cover (or at least the exception is intended to cover) the situation of where the police chase a suspect in a vehicle and then on foot into his home and discover he is carrying concealed. It is not a defense that they finally stopped him at home when he had just been illegally carrying in a vehicle.

That is not to say that I agree with the law or the restrictions on vehicle carry.

In CA a person can have a loaded firearm concealed on them with no license whatsoever on thier own private property or which is legaly possessed by them, home or business,(unless it is located in a prohibited location like a school, government building, state park etc.)
They may also permit an employee to do the same.
Is there no age restriction/requirement? Is there no other law regarding age that applies without respect to this other law to which you refer?

With statutes and rules, I learned to read, read on, and read again, meaning that there can be a part later in the same section or even in a different section that changes the meaning of what seemed to be clear the first time through. No saying you're wrong. Just betting that the CA legislature probably did not overlook any freedom loopholes.

It would be ironic if Californians have more rights in this area.
Indeed it would, although if you can get a CCW in California, it has far fewer restrictions that in OH or many other states.
 
The age limit for carry on private property by those I explained above is 18 years of age, and makes no exceptions for long guns or handguns.

The ways in which an 18-21 year old can legaly aquire a handgun are very few though. So they generaly have to be 21+.
If it is given to them under an http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/oplaw.pdf
INTRA-FAMILIAL HANDGUN TRANSACTION which only allows a parent or grandparent to transfer to to child or grandchild. So they would have to have the firearm given to them in such a way to legaly possess it.
They cannot legaly purchase ammunition for it either (unless they illegaly convince the seller it is for a long gun.)

Currently anyone recieving a handgun needs to have an HSC or handgun safety certificate. So they would also need to go to a local place and take a multi choice test to obtain that first.

They must then be of course quite careful with it as there is numerous ways under CA law to get into trouble transporting it, storing it or using it.

Here is the wording from the california firearms laws booklet http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/Cfl2006.pdf citing the relevant code:

Any person over the age of 18 who is not prohibited from possessing firearms, and if otherwise lawful, may keep and carry a firearm or have a firearm loaded at his or her place of residence, temporary residence, campsite, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by the person. (Penal Code §§ 12026, 12031(h) and (l).) Any person engaged in any lawful business (including nonprofit organizations) or any officer, employee, or agent authorized for lawful purposes connected with the business may possess a loaded firearm within the place of business if that person is over 18 years of age and not other wise prohibited from possessing firearms. (Penal Code §§ 12026, 12031(h).)

NOTE: A person’s place of business, residence, temporary residence, campsite, or private property may be located in areas where possession of handguns or other firearms, whether loaded or unloaded, is otherwise prohibited. Such areas include, but are not limited to,state, federal, or private game reserves or refuges, federal and state parks, and other public lands. Questions regarding the applicability of such laws should be directed to your sheriff or chief of police, federal or state fish and game officers, or federal or state park rangers.

A person's place of residence or business (that they own) is one and the same here, and the same under the law. Throughout the penal code section dealing with dangerous weapons "open" or "concealed" carry is specificly cited when one or the other is legal or illegal.
"Carry" applies to both and is supported through case law. Just as it is legal to carry concealed or openly without a license in the home, it is legal under the same statute to carry concealed or openly a loaded firearm at the person's business. An employee authorized shares the same privilidge. The same goes for an "agent" under the law, which is any person acting on thier behalf which they have authorized.
 
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I will have to consult some legal professionals on this one, just to be 100%

I was talking about CALIFORNIA!

Ohio law is Ohio law. One thing you are going to have to get used to if you do not want to become a prohibited person in the world of firearms is that the laws are long and detailed many places at both the state and federal level.
Jumping to any conclusions or wanting quick results can lead to bad results.

Many firearm laws contain several yes answers that you may want to hear, and then in fine print far from those yes answers is exceptions to when they do not apply or are prohibited.
The same can often be done in reverse.
In CA law for example some things are completely outlawed under large sweeping blanket statements, like concealed firearms thoroughly in one statute (PC 12025), and then other completely seperate statutes give exceptions when 12025 that does not apply.
Essentialy outlawing most things and then providing exceptions elsewhere in a completely different and seperate statute.
You would think that would cover enough, but then you have loaded firearms seperate from concealed in statutes like 12031 which must also be complied with, with additional exceptions made.
You would think that would be enough, but then there is numerous other laws also involved within the 12000's of the penal code as well as other sections.
You would think just the penal code was enough to cover everything, but then there is several laws in the Fish and Game Code that can have nothing to do with "Fish" or "Game" or hunting etc which also apply to firearm possession and transport.
You would think that was enough, but then there is laws in the Welfare and Institutions Code section of law that apply to firearms.
Then in the Business and Professions Code some laws apply in some situations as well as the Family Code.


So it is rarely as simple as a list of what is legal and illegal or even what is legal or illegal in one section of the law even if that section covers enough laws to create what resembles an encyclopedia set in relevant books. Because the same thing legal in one code can be outlawed by another code covered by a seperate section. Being legal in the criminal, or "penal code", even if specificly stated does not mean it will be legal in the fish and game code, which has things also punishable as misdemeanors and felonies.

Then to complicate it further sometimes the law itself is not clear enough, or does appear clear, but case law can alter the definition of how it is applied. So you must reference case law, and see decisions made by the various courts. With each higher court's decisions overuling previous lower courts rulings when they conflict. So you must know the result of the ruling on a specific thing at the highest level a decision has been made on it.


The law can be excessively tricky and that is why there is people who make a living just specializing in small parts of it. Lawyers that are not even familiar with other sections often times.

Oh and it is your duty as a citizen to know the law, and breaking it in any way is not excused by ignorance of the law. :scrutiny::rolleyes::eek:
So if you do not read all of those books and memorize them and keep up to date on them and you break any of those laws, that is your fault and nobdy else's as a responsible adult citizen.
Keep that in mind whenever someone talks a lot about making new laws, even some that sound good.
Lots of "new" laws at various times are why things are so complicated and the way they are. Why people must consult "experts" to know how to legaly be a "free" person
 
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