Concealed versus open carry

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Just how can a state that does not allow open carry not forbid open carry, CC permit not withstanding???
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I don't know what you're trying to say here, but to "not forbid" is to allow!
 
[how can a state that *does not allow open carry*] NOT [forbid open carry]

"not forbid" is "to allow" just as you said.
That's why the question is "how can a state that does not allow open carry allow open carry?"
Or How can a state that forbids open carry not forbid open carry?
 
Some states have a "Concealed Weapons Permit" which allows concealed carrying of non-firearm weapons that would otherwise be prohibited. They don't call those licenses "Concealed Pistol Licenses" OR "[state] Firearm Licenses"
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A Georgia Firearms License (GFL), or a recognized out-of-state permit, is required for open carry of any pistol or revolver outside of one's home, motor vehicle, or place of business.
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Funny how they equate it to plain old permit.
 
I don't know what you're trying to say here, but to "not forbid" is to allow!
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And to not allow is to forbid.

Question I asked was "Just how can a state that does not allow open carry not forbid open carry, CC permit not withstanding???".

I'll rephrase: How can a state that forbids open carry allow open carry?

Perhaps the intent of the original question was to ask whether open carry is allowed only with a CC permit......
 
Funny how they equate it to plain old permit.
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Actually, they don't. They equate it to a "recognized out-of-state permit". There's a difference ;) It may be an out of state plain-old-permit, but if it's not on the list of recognized out of state permits it doesn't count.
And in any case, they word it that way specifically because every state's system of licensing/permitting is different and the states have different names for their permits/licenses due to the different applicability of the permit/license in each state.
 
I don't think Colorado statute specifically permits open carry, what it doesn't do is forbid it. That and the preemption clause (Denver exclude somehow) and 2A affirmation in the Constitution allows that keeping and bearing is allowed, the affirmation specifically states it doesn't include concealed without a permit.
Correct me if I'm wrong Colorado members.
 
GRYFFYDD, I'm not a lawyer, but if you are maybe you can hear the judge saying about now, " let's move on to the subject at hand". The link NavyLT provided answered my post.
 
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Open carry is (except in a vehicle in which case you must have a concealed carry license) permitted/protected state wide (prohibited areas excepted and I don't know if there is agreement on what areas are prohibited areas). However, if you open carry you are probably going to have a face-to-face encounter with a LEO who may have a different opinion of your rights. The Ohio Revised Code specifically states:

9.68 Right to bear arms - challenge to law.
(A) The individual right to keep and bear arms, being a fundamental individual right that predates the United States Constitution and Ohio Constitution, and being a constitutionally protected right in every part of Ohio, the general assembly finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state regulating the ownership, possession, purchase, other acquisition, transport, storage, carrying, sale, or other transfer of firearms, their components, and their ammunition. Except as specifically provided by the United States Constitution, Ohio Constitution, state law, or federal law, a person, without further license, permission, restriction, delay, or process, may own, possess, purchase, sell, transfer, transport, store, or keep any firearm, part of a firearm, its components, and its ammunition.

(B) In addition to any other relief provided, the court shall award costs and reasonable attorney fees to any person, group, or entity that prevails in a challenge to an ordinance, rule, or regulation as being in conflict with this section.

(C) As used in this section:

(1) The possession, transporting, or carrying of firearms, their components, or their ammunition include, but are not limited to, the possession, transporting, or carrying, openly or concealed on a person’s person or concealed ready at hand, of firearms, their components, or their ammunition.

(2) “Firearm” has the same meaning as in section 2923.11 of the Revised Code.

(D) This section does not apply to either of the following:

(1) A zoning ordinance that regulates or prohibits the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for residential or agricultural uses;

(2) A zoning ordinance that specifies the hours of operation or the geographic areas where the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms may occur, provided that the zoning ordinance is consistent with zoning ordinances for other retail establishments in the same geographic area and does not result in a de facto prohibition of the commercial sale of firearms, firearm components, or ammunition for firearms in areas zoned for commercial, retail, or industrial uses.
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wishin said:
Or perhaps too many quibblers....
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or perhaps not.

When dealing with statutes, especially on subjects such as firearms possession, transportation, and carrying, the placement of a colon or a comma either before or after a conjunction such as "and" or "or" can mean the difference between innocence and guilt and many times the difference between walking away as a free person or walking away as a convicted felon.
 
Michigan allows OC, but by statute, a gun becomes 'concealed' in a vehicle. So if you don't have a CPL, you must unload & encase each time you get in a car or boat, on a motorcycle, etc. In addition, it is actually legal (WITH A CPL) to OC in many places where CC is illegal. This is because of the conflict between pre-peon CC laws (when only the elite could get 'em, and we can't inconvienience the special people) and post-peon shall-issue CC law (we can't let the riff-raff carry just anywhere now, can we), Which boils down to allow OC in places like schools, theaters, daycares, etc. as long as you also have a CPL...
 
I rest my case...............
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You asked a question regarding state laws, then you dismiss relevant and helpful discussion answering your question as quibbling. Nice.
When it comes to statutes, there's no such thing as quibbling.
 
Let me set the record straight here since this post has strayed and won't die until the moderator gets tired of the turn it's taken. The added paragraph to my original post was to preclude any further smart a$$ answers like I got soon after the initial post. In retrospect, I should have done the same with respect to sniping, quibbling, bickering and grandstanding about legal terminology.

If your state does not allow open carry, but they do issue CC permits, does your state forbid open carry even with a permit?

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Georgia does allow open carry only with a CC permit.
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1. Read my original post carefully, I fully understand Georgia's concealed and open carry law and snyopsized it correctly;

2. Because Georgia's law does not make sense to me, I asked THR members what the laws allowed in their states concerning open carry;

3. At no time did I ask, or even cared what each state calls concealed or unconcealed carry permissions or licenses;

4. This post didn't wind up in the THR legal forum until a couple of people wanted to prove their ability to snipe at the OP by way of attacking my use of the improper name for a handgun permit in Georgia;

5. The posted link by NavytLT, which fully answered my question, also coincidently called concealed carry licenses "permits" in Georgia and other states, as I did in my post. This is a bit ironic since he was the one who pointed out the descrepency in my choice of words to describe Georgia's Georgia's firearm license as a "permit";

6. With the exception of you and NavyLT, and the smart a**s, the responses addressed my question, not my choice of words.

7. It's been my experience in life, that some people, when they have an audience such as this forum provides, refuse to accept it when someone out there disagrees with them, no matter how logical the counter argument. Consequently, I don't expect you to go away, just to understand that you're way off base here.

7. When I want legal advice rest assured I will go to an attorney in my state, not on the internet. You get what you pay for!
 
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jahwarrior,
What is your opinion about the 4 cops that got shot in that coffie shop not too long ago? If that crazy guy saw a citizen carrying a gun (mistakened as a cop) that day at that shop that armed citizen would have been a target right? Also, there was a case here where a armored car driver got shot and killed over the bag of money he was carrying on the route. I guess he had no time to react because he was visibly armed.
 
My state allows both Open Carry and Concealed Carry , i have never Open Carried since i have my LTCF Permit, i know you can Open carry but I dont feel confident enough to OC and i dont feel like going thru hassles like Police harassment and civilan PITA (Pain In The Ass) who are anit-gun.


I CC i have less problems to deal with.
 
OP Answered

It looks like the OP has what he needs from this thread.

Asked and answered.

We could keep it open, though, and convert it to a discussion of, oh, I don't know, how about "reasons open carry is bad" or maybe "all forms of permit are evil" or even "why my state is more special than yours."

Nah. How about we close it instead.


 
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