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  1. Jeremiah10:23

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    This was mentioned in another thread (http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=638737).

    What is your prefered concealment garment? I am particularly interested in something suitable for office environments (casual pants, button up shirt, no tie)

    I frequently wear an oversized, long sleeve, button up micro-fiber shirt as a cover but cannot find any where to buy more.

    I am particularly interested in vests (since they can also be worn with my Sunday suit). It would be nice to be able to remove the suit coat when preaching without worrying about concealment. (I do not like pocket carry unless unavoidable)

    What method do you use?
     
  2. Telekinesis

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    I have a tuckable IWB holster that I like a lot (Crossbreed if you're interested in looking it up). Most of the time I wear an untucked button down shirt, but have occasionally concealed it with just a tshirt. I'm concealing a Sig 228 so its not the smallest thing either.

    As far as preaching, I would go with a good tuckable IWB so you don't have to worry about the extra layer of the vest, just blouse your shirt a little bit and you should be fine. It depends a bit on what type of gun you're carrying (more thickness than barrel length in my opinion) but you should be able to conceal just about any reasonably sized pistol with the right holster and belt combination.
     
  3. Jeremiah10:23

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    I have not bought it yet, but I am looking at the SR9c. I had also been looking at the supertuck but again I have not gotten it yet. (still waiting for a good OT check).

    I have a great leather guy nearby, what is the right width and thickness for the belt?
     
  4. JTQ

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    Most common belt width is probably 1.5 inches. Usually you can wear that with jeans, chino's, shorts, etc.

    If you are most often in dress pants, you may find 1.25" a better width. Jeans only wear will often allow 1.75" belts, but the most common holster loop width is 1.5".
     
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    I have a SR9c with a Kholster holster that I wear with shorts or jeans and an untucked polo type shirt. I have also worn with jeans and a tucked polo type shirt or button up shirt and my wife didn't even notice I was carrying.
     
  6. steven58

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    I carry a 3" 1911 in a strong side IWB, a spare magazine OWB weak side as well as a Surfire flashlight in an OWB kidex belt holster as EDC.

    If I'm not in a suit, in the summer I use short sleeve square hemmed casual shirts with a sleeveless T shirt Under it. In the winter it's either a blazer, button front sweater or a Woolrich Railroad Vest. http://www.russellsformen.com/woolrich-lightweight-wool-railroad-vest/p/WOO-A12NC-M/

    While it tends a bit towards the "woodsy" end of casual It works well with chinos and a button down shirt with no tie. I have 3 (black, green and gray) and find this to be the most versatile concealment garment for fall through early spring. The back is low enough to cover all of my EDC and not look to rustic.
     
  7. Mainsail

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    I use a jacket, whichever jacket I happen to wear on that particular day. When I get inside I take the jacket off and open carry. If the wind blows the jacket open and the gun is exposed, eh, I don't care. It doesn't matter. The CPL merely allows me the option of carrying concealed, it doesn't require it. It's very liberating to not have that to worry about.
     
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    NO concealment clothing in my house. 26 years of carry'n and wear normal real world clothing from bibs to dockers and columbia to shorts for the bottom half and from t-shirts to polo type or tucked in botton downs. Nothing that came from specialty clothing place and no novelty clothing. Never wear to hide or cover. But allways concealed.
     
  9. Vern Humphrey

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    I make my own tuckables, and really see no need for special "cover garments." The key is to dress loose, so you don't print. With a tuckable, "blouse" your shirt -- pull out two or three inches and let it hang over your belt.
     
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    I prefer belt holsters and in cooler weather often wear a vest for concealment. I don't particularly like the 5.11 tactical vest because I don't like the arrangement of the exterior pockets, and I don't care that you can fit a holster inside because I don't utilize off-body carry. Ever.

    Here's a list that might be useful:

    www.campco.com (Humvee photojournalist vest)

    www.filson.com (travel vest)

    www.orvis.com (LOTS of nice vests to choose from)

    www.woolrichelite.com (the lightweight discreet carry vest)

    www.columbia.com (Omni Dry Venture II vest,)

    www.bratwear.com (Shooter's vest)

    www.concealedcarryclothiers.com

    www.travelsmith.com (voyager vest)

    www.duluthtrading.com (many choices)

    www.eotac.com (Lightweight vest or tactical vest or field vest)
     
  11. todd_g

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    I use a system called smartcarry, I guess it is similar to thunderwear. I use it with my Kahr and Keltec. I don't trust using it with my G27 being so close to my junk :D But the triggers on the other two mentioned are more of a double action pull.
     
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    Casual offices where button-up shirts are the norm make a sports coat a natural, more natural (and better at CC) that a vest. I have tried one-size-too-large dark v-neck or cardigan sweater vests...and they're not for me.

    In jackets, patterned ones do better at CC. Harris tweed (brown herringbone) is a perennial classic, and goes with just about any shirt...

    Unless you have a brown herringbone shirt...:barf::D
    Pocket carry, Father (or Pastor). For many are called, but few get to choose. ;)

    An alloy .38 or a Walther PPS might change your mind about pocket carry.
     
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    I have looked at the Smart Carry, how long did it take to get used to carrying near your junk? How comfortable is it?
     
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    I think the SmartCarry system is very comfortable, since I am a righty my pistol sites just to the right of the " junk " my spare mags sit in the other pouch. I dont need to wear belts, and my clothing can be anything from shorts to sweatpants. Going to the bathroom isnt to bad, you just have to rotate the smartcarry to the left or right, sitting down is ok too. I've had it for a couple years and none of the stitching has broke free. I havent had to experience it but the company by all claims will honor any warrany issue anytime. I can say 100% that knowbody has ever noticed I was carrying. They appear to have a broad range of customers from deep cover LE's to the average shmo like me.
     
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    Preaching puts you on display

    Personally, I carry a full-size semi-auto (Colt Commander or FEG P-35) OWB at 9 o'clock, and have a wide selection of vests, from tropical to arctic (by Eotac, Filson, Fox Fire, Duluth, L.L. Bean, Willis & Geiger, Carhartt and Cabela's) to conceal it. I'm an outdoorsman and generally dress the part (I've been accused of trying to look like Ernest Hemingway).

    But if you are preaching, that is a special case. Bear in mind that anytime you are on any kind of stage, in front of any kind of audience, you are subject to far greater visual scrutiny, for longer periods, than you would be under "normal" conditions.

    Jeremiah10:23:
    This sounds like the best approach for you. But I find it hard to believe that you can't find any such shirts. Do they have to be micro-fiber? Why?

    Are you alluding to the iridescent quality of some micro-fiber fabrics? That certainly helps keep printing from being observed, but a woven or printed pattern in a conventional fabric can work in the same way. Either way, it's the oversized (loose) fit that'll be offering the most concealment.
     
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    Well, all churches are different. At mine, the scrutiny the Pastor gets is likely to be the "though-closed-eyelids" kind. [​IMG]

    ;) I try to be a good parishoner, but I'm more likely to listen than look at the preacher.
     
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    The only reason I like the micro fiber is that it seems a little thicker than some others. The one I have is black (good anytime color).

    Most of the vests I have seen look too outdoorsy for my situation. Someone put several links up earlier and they look nice but ...
     
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    A dress vest will hide one fairly well. A radio-mic dummy transmitter clipped to the back of your pants will do the rest.
     
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    I knew a pastor in Seattle, he's still there I bet, that carries. He wears slacks and a tucked button up shirt and carried a full size 1911. You couldn't tell. I went to see him a few times, and I knew but couldn't see it.

    I can give you a few tips. I use a Milt Sparks VM2, and it hides a G27 or 29 superbly well. I bet it works even better with thinner pistols, I hear it does. It is the only holster I use for CC'ing an auto now, and I own (soon) three; for me it is the best carry holster in the world for so many reasons. The holster and the belt are at least as important for CC as the weapon is, and the belt I have is a heavy double thick belt, soft but it won't fold. You'll need a good dress style one though. Milt Sparks makes good belts, but I've seen those Galco dress belts and they look good but I don't know how they wear. Bladetech will make one for you with plastic inside and I bet that is a good way to get a dress belt that is stiff. Whatever you get, the goal is to have a stiff belt that doesn't fold that pulls the (quality) holster in close to the body. Without that as a minimum, you can't hide credit card.

    I generally wear 5.11 pants (I just found they are real comfortable and pretty tough and for what I do they are fine) and an Underarmor or similar type t shirt and a fleece. Or an open Tommy Bahama shirt over the undershirt in the summer. Looser fitting pants enough to accomodate the holster work best, the underarmor shirt is just comfortable, and the fleece is thick enough to hide anything. In the summer, the Tommy shirt is made of heavy silk and drapes well plus the patterns break up any printing. This works the best in my experience.

    For dress clothes, I actually had told the tailor to cut it around the weapon and I wore the rig to the tailor. He also reinforced that area. So I have a tailored black suit that hides a G27 or a G29 in those VM2's without any problem at all. Pretty awesome. I suppose you could get a vest for under the jacket and that would work as well as long as you told the tailor and wore it to the fitting.

    For no jacket, the VM2's have kydex clips. The first one I got came with them a long time ago, then when everything went up, Milt Sparks kept the prices down by just charging for those. So I have the one set of clips and can say they work well if you need to tuck a shirt in. Here I bet the prints or patterns of some kind would still be best, and getting it cut long and maybe a size or so over would be best.

    Carry is all about compromise. In general, looser fitting clothes hide better, but may not look as sharp. So going to a tailor for dressier clothes is kind of a must in my mind, or it isn't really worth wearing the dressier clothes. The above works well for me and I'd always have my wife and my friend check me over when concealment really mattered, and that G27 is the smallest pistol I carry.

    I also have a 340PD that I keep for pocket carry worth mentioning. I very, very seldom do this, but it is light enough that nobody would spot it for a weapon even if they saw a bulge. In a good holster, it is also small and light enough that it would hide VERY well with dress clothes. Because dress clothes are usually so light and the belt is thinner, it makes hiding a heavier pistol harder since it pulls down the belt line. That 340PD and those other scandium frame revolvers won't have that problem. The G29 for example is much harder to conceal with lighter dress clothes than the G27 is.
     
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    I think we're all missing the biggest point here. You preach with your jacket off? You must not be baptist.

    This guy used to hang out around here. He makes vests.

    Blousing out your shirt only works if your midsection doesn't blouse out above your belt on its own.

    I've given up carrying a gun on a belt without a plastic insert. Blade-Tech makes excellent belts at a very reasonable price. A black and brown Blade-Tech are the only belts I use now. I'm told The Beltman also makes excellent belts, but I don't own any of his. His are much fancier and varied than Blade-Tech's.

    Unless the AC breaks, keep your jacket on. Best guaranteed way to keep concealment.
     
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    Loose fitting pants with a pocket holster.
     
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    I don't think in "concealment clothing"
    that pulls up images of that police article which brings up the vest and other such
    Like if your tag says 511
    if you are dressed like you are going to combat, I don't think you're very concealed.

    I don't want to change my style (but I am thinking of 511 pants, I'm kinda hard on mine, so I'm always looking for a decent pair)
    rather you conceal within your style, is it getting your pants a size larger, checking the waistband to make sure it is sturdy(which my tailor taught me is the sign of good dress pants) and not a narrow hem like you find on most name brand off the shelf pants.

    I have a coat that has lots of pockets, including double pockets, one is zippered the other is open, so I can literally conceal a pistol in the zippered pocked and use the open one for something that will break up the outline like a cell phone. Unless you know that I have two pockets, you'll never know. That same coat is kinda big and fluffy, easy to conceal a shoulder holster under

    OTH, a stiff suit coat can easily keep it's form riding over the but of a pistol, a soft one might show. It's really up to you to find out what you want to wear and what changes you are willing to make in your wardrobe.
     
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    Belly band...but not really

    Two things that worked for me are:

    1. Belly band one size bigger, worn high abdoman or low chest with a strap going from front to back, worn over one should like a purse to support the weight.

    2. shoulder holster under a shirt with a vest of any kind on top of it. The shirt conceals the pistol and the vest hides the shoulder harness straps.

    For either of these the best plan is to have velcro put in along your front seam so you can quickly access your weapon without ripping your shirt. I know many professionals and cops who use both of these methods. If you buy your shirt just a half size bigger you can conceal a full size pistol. I used the belly band technique with a glock 19 and 2 spare mags. Takes a little getting used to, but the work great.
     
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    XXL "interesting" Hawaiian shirts from "Hilo Hatties" and "Aloha Republic", and an IWB holster from Ted Blocker locally, on an Animal Jack double-layer gunbelt. (he appears at random gunshows here with his hand-operated sewing machine and never seems to stop stitching leather.)
     
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    5.11 tactical vest = shoot me first.
     
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