xx7grant7x
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sorry if thus has been posted already i hadn't seen it and thought in was interesting http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6760530260633420235
concealment does not equal cover-Video
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Rapidfire_85
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cool vid. Thank you!
I don't know how to feel after that. I knew that plywood and drywall wouldn't stop anything but to see that sandbag bunker getting blown into pieces by the shoulder fired rocket is unnerving! I may have to take, err, uh, "cover" in something like that.
ZeSpectre
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I've seen this before. It's a very interesting video.
I have frequently told the story about hunting rats when I was a kid back on the farm.
The ONLY rats that ever survived were the ones who "evaded and ran". The ones who tried to hide or take cover died.
Mobility is your friend.
I have frequently told the story about hunting rats when I was a kid back on the farm.
The ONLY rats that ever survived were the ones who "evaded and ran". The ones who tried to hide or take cover died.
Mobility is your friend.
wally
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I can't watch a movie without laughing at some of the things the characters hide behind to stop movie bullets.
--wally.
--wally.
ZeSpectre
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You know, I guess I understood this concept early on because I remember one BAD fight with a neighbor because we were playing "cops n robbers" and he dodged behind a shrubbery and I said "bang" and he said "I was safe behind that bush" and I said "a bush wouldn't stop a gun" and the fistfight ensued (hey, I was all of 7 years old).
Chipperman
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Getting the heck out of Dodge is great, but if you can't then concealment is still better than standing out in the open waving your arms.
chris in va
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Now, someone explain something to me. The M249 uses a 308, correct? But it couldn't penetrate brick and cinderblock at 45 degrees. But the AK did?
Vern Humphrey
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I'm reminded of an incident in Viet Nam. A Marine chucked a grenade into a hootch and flattened himself against the wall in the approved Parris Island manner.
It was a grass hootch.
And as I have said many times, when the shooting starts, people tend to hide behind things (done it myself.) You need penetration in a combat weapon, the more penetration, the better.
It was a grass hootch.
And as I have said many times, when the shooting starts, people tend to hide behind things (done it myself.) You need penetration in a combat weapon, the more penetration, the better.
hankdatank1362
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It's been posted before, but frankly, this should be a once-a-month type deal.
Sistema1927
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My Father-in-law was an 8th Air Force navigator.
He told me how foolish he felt ducking behind the aluminum skin of his B-24 when he saw an ME-109 or FW-190 heading his way.
He told me how foolish he felt ducking behind the aluminum skin of his B-24 when he saw an ME-109 or FW-190 heading his way.
Grendelizer
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Shootin' machine guns and blowin' stuff up! Some guys get all the fun!
John
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Chipperman
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Rule #1 is to be where they ain't shooting.
Failing that, rule #2 is to be behind the biggest most dense object you can find.
Rule #2a- If said object won't stop a bullet, hopefully it will at least conceal your exact location. Then at least they cannot aim directly at you.
Failing that, rule #2 is to be behind the biggest most dense object you can find.
Rule #2a- If said object won't stop a bullet, hopefully it will at least conceal your exact location. Then at least they cannot aim directly at you.
PercyShelley
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"Remember, bullets go through walls!"
Modern building materials are surprisingly transparent to all manner of weaponry. IIRC, the RPG-7 can penetrate 1.5 meters of concrete and half a meter of RHA.
Modern building materials are surprisingly transparent to all manner of weaponry. IIRC, the RPG-7 can penetrate 1.5 meters of concrete and half a meter of RHA.
Omnivore
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I'd seen that some time ago, but forgotten about it. Thanks for posting.
In his book "The Ultimate Sniper" Plaster gives a chart detailing some the penetration capabilities of different rounds. The 50 BMG can do some pretty interesting things. On our informal home tests, we found that partially decomposed granite (which is common here in the Northwest) stops .50 BMG AP pretty well, compared to other things you might pick up at, say, a machinsts auction. We were picking the steel cores out of the large rocks with our hands, or prying them out with small knives. But that was using a .50 BMG "Carbine". The M2 will give better velocity.
That reminds me of my son, when he was about 6, busting up basketball sized chunks of basalt with a carbine-length .30-30 Winchester model of 1894. Ah, freedom!
In his book "The Ultimate Sniper" Plaster gives a chart detailing some the penetration capabilities of different rounds. The 50 BMG can do some pretty interesting things. On our informal home tests, we found that partially decomposed granite (which is common here in the Northwest) stops .50 BMG AP pretty well, compared to other things you might pick up at, say, a machinsts auction. We were picking the steel cores out of the large rocks with our hands, or prying them out with small knives. But that was using a .50 BMG "Carbine". The M2 will give better velocity.
That reminds me of my son, when he was about 6, busting up basketball sized chunks of basalt with a carbine-length .30-30 Winchester model of 1894. Ah, freedom!
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What if you put sandbags between the sheetrock rather than loose gravel? It would still leak, but not as badly and sandbags are a reasonable defense against most man-portable firearms.
Don't know how well it would work for insulation though.
Don't know how well it would work for insulation though.
Vern Humphrey
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Sandbagging is an art.
To build a proper sandbag wall, only fill the sandbags half as full as normal. Use a 2X12, about three feet long, to pound the sandbags, forcing them to fill all the space in each layer, leaving no cracks or gaps for bullets to pass through.
You can also mix a little cement with your sand to bind it.
To build a proper sandbag wall, only fill the sandbags half as full as normal. Use a 2X12, about three feet long, to pound the sandbags, forcing them to fill all the space in each layer, leaving no cracks or gaps for bullets to pass through.
You can also mix a little cement with your sand to bind it.
Float Pilot
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Something soft like sand / mud will stop more projectiles than something hard like concrete. Concrete tends to frament and create secondary missles.
They avoided showing any test of frag grenades from outside the building. That is because they tend to have very limited penetration and odd disbursal patterns.
They avoided showing any test of frag grenades from outside the building. That is because they tend to have very limited penetration and odd disbursal patterns.
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