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BEFORE YOU READ THIS POST SEE MY SECOND POST FIRST AS I THINK I MAY HAVE FIGURED THIS OUT--MAYBE
Then, this post only serves to illustrate the confusion between state law and state agencies trying to convey that law as illustrated in this post.
Michigan State Police Prohibited Premises page says I cannot conceal carry at "Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials allow concealed weapons," but that "does not include the parking areas."
Michigan State Police Legal Update #86 says, "MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following: A depository financial institution (e.g., bank or credit union) A church or other place of religious worship. . ."
So now it is just a church or place of worship, not "any facility owned or operated by. . ." And now it says I cannot carry when making in in-person bank transaction inside a bank, but the Prohibited Premises page above said NOTHING about banks.
It goes on to say, "The above section does not apply to any of the following: . . . A person with a valid concealed pistol license (CPL) issued by any state A person who possesses on one of the above listed premises with the permission of the owner or owner’s agent."
Seemd from this one that it is okay to carry at a church without permission if I have a valid CPL, and I do.
But this is for Open Carry and it goes on to say, "An individual with a valid CPL may carry a nonconcealed firearm in the above listed premises."
Then the Prohibited Premises page says, "A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a prohibited area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed, except in casinos. In a casino the pistol is subject to seizure whether carried concealed or exposed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
--First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
--Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
--Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked"
Yet the Legal Update #86 says nothing about first, second or any other offense, just that "MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following . . ."
Yet opening the link to MCL 750.234d and it says, "A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both."
Additionally, MCL 750.234d gives the exceptions for carrying including, as noted in Legal Update #86, "A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon." However, Legal Update #86 says I have to be open carrying to use that exemption, but MCL 750.234d says nothing of open carry.
So, the question is, how is one to know where and how they can carry without engaging the services of a lawyer? Worse if I go to another state.
Last summer I had to turn around from going the wrong direction and inadvertently turned through the parking lot of a closed (Sunday) school facility in some smaller town. Technically I was in violation for that moment.
It is insane these nit picky regulations. I think they just want to annoy us to no end.
Bottom Line: I want to understand if in Michigan I can carry in a bank to make a withdrawal or such. And I want to know if I can carry on church premises. My mother-in-law is in an assisted living facility owned and operated by a church. I don't know if I can enter with my concealed pistol, or even if I can walk around outside the building, like to fill her bird feeder with my pistol in pocket, or I have to remove it before I come off the parking lot.
Then, this post only serves to illustrate the confusion between state law and state agencies trying to convey that law as illustrated in this post.
Michigan State Police Prohibited Premises page says I cannot conceal carry at "Any property or facility owned or operated by a church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or other place of worship, unless the presiding official or officials allow concealed weapons," but that "does not include the parking areas."
Michigan State Police Legal Update #86 says, "MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following: A depository financial institution (e.g., bank or credit union) A church or other place of religious worship. . ."
So now it is just a church or place of worship, not "any facility owned or operated by. . ." And now it says I cannot carry when making in in-person bank transaction inside a bank, but the Prohibited Premises page above said NOTHING about banks.
It goes on to say, "The above section does not apply to any of the following: . . . A person with a valid concealed pistol license (CPL) issued by any state A person who possesses on one of the above listed premises with the permission of the owner or owner’s agent."
Seemd from this one that it is okay to carry at a church without permission if I have a valid CPL, and I do.
But this is for Open Carry and it goes on to say, "An individual with a valid CPL may carry a nonconcealed firearm in the above listed premises."
Then the Prohibited Premises page says, "A pistol is subject to immediate seizure if the CPL holder is carrying a pistol in a prohibited area. The pistol is only subject to seizure if the holder is carrying it concealed, except in casinos. In a casino the pistol is subject to seizure whether carried concealed or exposed. The following penalties may also be imposed:
--First offense: State Civil Infraction, $500 fine, CPL permit suspended 6 months
--Second offense: 90-day misdemeanor, $1000 fine, CPL permit revoked
--Third and subsequent offenses: 4-year felony, $5000 fine, CPL permit revoked"
Yet the Legal Update #86 says nothing about first, second or any other offense, just that "MCL 750.234d provides that it is a 90 day misdemeanor to possess a firearm on the premises of any of the following . . ."
Yet opening the link to MCL 750.234d and it says, "A person who violates this section is guilty of a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for not more than 90 days or a fine of not more than $100.00, or both."
Additionally, MCL 750.234d gives the exceptions for carrying including, as noted in Legal Update #86, "A person licensed by this state or another state to carry a concealed weapon." However, Legal Update #86 says I have to be open carrying to use that exemption, but MCL 750.234d says nothing of open carry.
So, the question is, how is one to know where and how they can carry without engaging the services of a lawyer? Worse if I go to another state.
Last summer I had to turn around from going the wrong direction and inadvertently turned through the parking lot of a closed (Sunday) school facility in some smaller town. Technically I was in violation for that moment.
It is insane these nit picky regulations. I think they just want to annoy us to no end.
Bottom Line: I want to understand if in Michigan I can carry in a bank to make a withdrawal or such. And I want to know if I can carry on church premises. My mother-in-law is in an assisted living facility owned and operated by a church. I don't know if I can enter with my concealed pistol, or even if I can walk around outside the building, like to fill her bird feeder with my pistol in pocket, or I have to remove it before I come off the parking lot.
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