Conicals in Ruger Old Army

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I recently purchaced some Oregon Trail Lazercast bullets for my Ruger Old Army. They are 200 gr. RNFP sized at .452. Because of fit to the cylinder:what:, I made a compression die and resized the bullets to .454/.455. At this size, I get minimal shaving and a nice, snug fit(help us all if they slip forward:eek:). With 35 gr. of H777, Ox Yoke over powder wad to elliminate any possibity of hang fire , this load has shown good preliminary results at 25&50 yd marks . I had to replace the front sight blade with one around 1/8 higher because of the pistol shooting high with virtually every bullet I have tryed. Though I dont want to exeed H777's max load:evil:, I could fit another 5-8 gr. with acceptable compression amounts. Has anyone on thi forum been shooting Old Army with conicals or H777? :cool:
 
I've done just a little shooting with both bullets and h777. I've found h777 charges more critical to work with than black powder or pyrodex but have gotten some very tight groups with the lee conicals and buffalo bullets.
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Just wait until ya have some BigIron Bullets for tha Old Army ta play with! The 'Smith is yet experimenting with bullet weights for tha solid and tha hollow point.

MIGHT use tha same pattern as tha .36's, make tha solid same weight as a ball, push tha hollow point weight up for more penetration&retaining velocity, mebbe a 180 grain?

Thought HEAVIER but we got a problem with cylinder capacity such as tha 1860 Colt and tha Remmies.

YOUR input on this one please MEC?
 
Civil war bullets for the Dragoons weighed as much as 246-50 grains and I believe they used the same weights in the Colt/Remington. 200 grain is probably a pretty good all around weight. The velocities arn't all that bad with various one's I've tried.
 
Hi Mec!

Cant imagine usin a 240+ grain conical in an 1860 Colt! I'd think that room for 3.2758169 grains of powder ( :) ) wouldn't make for good ballistics! Mebbe a Remmie might be a LITTLE better, DRAGOON a definate step up!

O.K.! One for 200 grains, would that be a SOLID or Hollow Point?

HEY!!!! HOW do ya set up a POLL on this board?!?!?! Simpler for everyone!!
 
19th century loads
27 grains and 200-214 grain bullets for Colt and remington.
35 gr with 249-60 for Dragoons.
Cartridge loads don't specify which revolvers.
 
O.K., i'm WEIGHING out 27 grains of 3F swiss, and i'm goin ta try one of tha 'smiths KEQ bullets, weighs 250 in pure lead and see ifin these two will fit ina Colt 1860 replica chamber, will get back to ya!

Nothin against YOU, yer just reportin, just think those 19th century guys out of touch with reality.
 
I shoot the Lee 220 grain .457" conical over a full charge of pyrodex. It gets something over 900 fps and is very accurate, but I need that extra sight blade height, too. Where'd you get the sight blade, from Ruger????

BTW, I've always just lubed with alox, might start using beeswax. I never use and over powder wad or anything like that, never had a chain fire. I don't know if you even need to worry about chain fires with conicals.
 
27 Grains Aint Fittin!

O.K., I admit i aint cleverest guy on tha planet, short of a mallet, brass rod and LOTS of pounding there just aint ROOM in that 1860 cylinder fer 27 WEIGHED grains of 3F swiss and that 250 grain bullet!

I gave 'em EVERY advantage! Used a cylinder loading tool OFF tha gun, used a THREE FOOT drop tube! COMPRESSED tha powder charge with considerable force and could NOT get that bullet ta seat with sufficiant force to clear tha cylinder face, not even close!

So HOW did those 19th century guys do it????
 
I made the front sight blade from scratch. It is made from 1/8" cold roll steel stock, which is not difficult to find...Instead of a ramp like the original, it resembles a s.a.a. front sight. Adding around 1/16" to the height seemed to compensate well for the 12" high at 25yds...
 
Yup! I managed tha 200 grain/27 grain load no strain, tha 250 never but tha one shot and that one cause i could assemble tha revolver OVER tha protruding bullet.

For tha 1860 Army, think tha round ball 140grain/35 grain load JUS' fine, loads easy, shoots good.
 
With the 200gr. RNFP and 38gr. volume of H777, It felt like Super Blackhawk with starting loads...enough for cyotes' n such....:evil:
 
Yes, aluminum would be much easier to work, but will wear badly due to it's relative softness...C.R. steel took about 1 1/2 hrs to make...However, I must admit I am a journeyman machinist & work in a machine shop:scrutiny: Should'nt be that difficult by hand though...Even though it is EASTER(no disrespect), I think I'm going to dirty My Old Army:eek:
 
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