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My wife and I home-school our seven year old son. She does most of it, but I generally handle teaching him math. He's still on addition and subtraction. The other day I told her, "I think he's ready to learn how to carry."

She replied, "How old does he have to be to carry legally?"

:what:

--Len.
 
Off-topic, but I thank both you and your wife for investing the time and energy in your choice to raise your son, rather than letting the gov't do it for you.

My parents also made a similar choice, and the older I get, the more grateful I am to them for their efforts and sacrifices. Raising a human child is one of the most important responsibilities a person can undertake! :)
 
YAH!!! Another homeschooler! I applaud you and your wife.....

I homeschool my 14-year-old daughter, who is now a high schooler. It is a challenge, but a rewarding one.

I wish you continued success.
 
Are there a lot of homeschooled/are homeschooling people on here? I was homeschooled from second grade on. Nice to see others out there doing the same for their children, I now work in the public school system and am quite disgusted with it.
 
I have a question for all you homescoolers. There was a family where I lived that had homeschooled children. They didn't really have any freinds and everybody thought they were wierd (I would call them socially inept). Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school? Do you miss oppurtunities to meet so many different people? Keep in mind I'm not trying to insuly anybody, I'm just trying to relate my experience with a family I knew and you experience. I'm curious entirely on the social aspect and understand the different ideals and morals and am aware of and not interested in that aspect. Lucky for me I only encountered the whole public school liberal conditioning my first year of college, and I am old enough that I already have my values and can't be influenced by them.
 
pdowg881: Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school? Do you miss oppurtunities to meet so many different people?
Considering what makes up "society" in our schools today I would say missing it was a blessing!
 
People homeschool for a lot of different reasons: Some because of religious reasons, some for educational reasons, and yet others because they have to. Our reasons are not based on religion, but on education, and the state of public schools in our area. I also have a huge problem with the violence, sex and drugs that are pervading our schools and infecting our youth.

My child has a lot of social opportunities and spends times with the other girls in the neighbourhood. She has friends that are in the school system, and is in every way like her friends, except she attends school in our study, not an institution. Studies have shown that children don’t only learn about socialization from their peers in a school setting, but also from their interactions with different age groups, and types within their community. And you will find that a large number of homeschooled children are very active in volunteerism.

I have encountered homeschool families that intentionally isolate themselves because they do not want to be part of a social system that they feel does not meet with their religious / moral standards. They socialize solely with members of their own church groups. These families can appear “weird” to so-called regular folk, but we might seem awfully decadent and immoral to them.

I suppose it’s only a matter of perception. Depends on which side of the fence you’re standing…..

Hope that answers your questions.
 
There was a family where I lived that had homeschooled children. They didn't really have any freinds and everybody thought they were wierd (I would call them socially inept). Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school? Do you miss oppurtunities to meet so many different people?

In my church (Lutheran Church Missouri Synod) there are two children, a fifth grader and a third grader, who are home schooled. They are also confirmed and receive communion. They participate in adult Sunday school before worship service. They are probably the most socially adapted children I have ever seen. They may be missing something from not going to public school, but I don't think they will ever miss it.

Pilgrim
 
pdowg881: Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school? Do you miss oppurtunities to meet so many different people?
Elza: Considering what makes up "society" in our schools today I would say missing it was a blessing!

Home schooled children are taught to socialize with adults.

Public schooled children learn "Lord of the Flies" socialization.
 
I like guns. They're fun to shoot. (to keep the thread related to guns)


I was home-schooled up to 4th grade then was enrolled in a private school. All my other siblings (4 others, all older) were homeschooled up 'til that point and it became too much work. I'm now a senior in college and there is a kid there that was homeschooled all the way through high school and it's quite obvious. He's a nice kid and very bright, but he has no social skills for kids his age and it shows. Just my observations...
 
I have a question for all you homescoolers. There was a family where I lived that had homeschooled children. They didn't really have any freinds and everybody thought they were wierd (I would call them socially inept). Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school? Do you miss oppurtunities to meet so many different people?

I was home schooled from 1st grade to 12th grade; I've never even set foot in a public school. I am rather anti-social, I don't really have any friends but everybody that meets me says I'm the nicest guy they’ve ever met.

And yes, I am a little weird... :D


It's nice to know that so many people are home schooling instead of sending their kids to the indoctrination camps.
 
guns rock! they are really fun and good. :)

I had the same situation, where I was in public school and there was the family on the block who was homeschooled. They were definately weird, but that doesn't mean that I wasn't. I went to public school in an Atheist home, and I probably had less friends than they did. I made one lifelong friend in elementary school, and some in middle school (which was not really public, but not really private either... Called a charter school), but that was it. I would say that 95% of the people, policies, rules, and education shoved down our throats in public school (save that charter school) was garbage.

That said, I'm not sure I'd homeschool my kids if I had them. There's got to be some sort of middle ground. Maybe a private school where there is a class related to firearms handling! I sure would like to teach that one... if it werent for the liability of course.. :neener:
 
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It's "weird."

Many homeschooled kids do seem more like adults. I don't think that's a problem. I've read articles by many psychologists that believe that one of the reasons for much of our social pathology is that kids no longer spend much time with adults, and have created a "teen only" culture, which not surprisingly is centered on sex, drugs, and violence.

In other words, homeschooled kids may seem "weird" to kids in public schools because they tend to be more socialized to the adult world. "Weird" (different) is only bad to teenagers, who are the most conformist group in society.
 
I have a question for all you homescoolers. There was a family where I lived that had homeschooled children. They didn't really have any freinds and everybody thought they were wierd (I would call them socially inept). Do you think you miss out on the social atmosphere in public school?

I was home schooled.

First off, let me ask: would you want your children to be 'socialized' in the animalistic environment that is public school? You can see the same basic behaviors that middle school students and high school students demonstrate as early as pre-school and day care; the attitude is roughly the same and the only significant differences are biology and vocabulary. (If you've ever been to a preschool, you'll know what I mean: kids are always fighting, bickering, and being petty, only shortly turning away from such pursuits to enjoy themselves and be mature after an adult chastises them.)

That is not an environment in which it is easy to raise a thoughtful, intelligent, moral individual. However, it is a very good environment to train a member of society who fits in.

When you say these kids you've were socially inept, did you notice how they interacted with adults? Maybe you did, and it still appeared inept; however, my experience has been (both personal and what I've noticed of other home schoolers) is that they're quite able to hold intelligent dinner-table (or cigar room, or whatever) conversations with just about anyone who isn't drunk or as uninteresting as a stack of old Farmer's Almanacs.

Yes, I 'missed out' on a number of things growing up - primarily getting laid and having regular girlfriends. I didn't have many friends, but there wasn't a time growing up when I didn't have at least one close friend who I'd regularly spend time with (I wasn't a 'group' person but there were home schoolers who were).

Things in the broader social scene fixed themselves later on - the last few years of high school and college - largely because (in my opinion) the people around me started picking up the expectations adults were placing on them - namely, to be adults themselves. Many - I dare say, most - don't pick up and acknowledge those expectations, and end up being pretty pathetic adults.

I'm not saying a person can't be a talented, thoughtful individual after going through public school; I do think that a degree of interaction with those they will be interacting with throughout their lives is absolutely necessary in order to help them to acclimate to the culture (I attended several private high schools). Yes, I was quite a misfit. So what?

I believe the biggest difference home school students benefit from is parents who actively enroll themselves in their child's upbringing: turning a baby into a child, into a young adult, and then eventually sending them off as a grown man or woman. There are a lot of nuanced values which home schooling parents tend to have which simply aren't evident to those who blithely send their children off to public school, unaware of what their children are missing out on.

Currently, my son is 3.5 years old. He's as verbal as a child twice his age and converses with adults. He is somewhat frustrated at times around those his age (not his peers, because in many respects he's ahead of them developmentally, and in others a bit behind). The important thing is that he is having a civil attitude towards others ingrained: he's polite, thoughtful, and considerate. It's almost comical to watch him talk about something (anything) with an adult, because it's never a 1-way conversation. He'll ask the adult what they think, and then base his next response off of that.

This isn't anything special - I've seen it in many home schooled kids - though I'll admit that he's fortunate to have two parents who are both reasonably intelligent. I'm just trying to make note of what a child is like when he or she spends most of his time amongst the company of adults - it's something that can be seen fairly well in families (home schooled or not) that spend a lot of time together, particularly in the eldest (and/or only child).

And, if you'd ever seen home schooled kids get together and socialize, you'd see kids as young as 10 or so mingling with the parents and teens playing with the young children. That hardly seems undeveloped to me.

One downside of home schooling: we're all (mostly) so damn opinionated and long winded!

He's a nice kid and very bright, but he has no social skills for kids his age and it shows. Just my observations...

Well, that describes me pretty well. I preferred talking and discussing things with my professors, not fellow students. That was part of the reason I finished up my degree at an "nontraditional" school: I couldn't stand being around so many people who were, for all intents and purposes, "kids".
 
They didn't really have any freinds and everybody thought they were wierd (I would call them socially inept).

This is just what the sub-conscious broadcasts we couldn't hear over the loud speakers in the classroom taught us public schoolers from K-12. (along with other hypmotizing field trips to auditoriums) In my day (Reagan era/ Nancy's 'Just say No') they literally brought use to auditoriums were master hypmotists rallyed us not to do drugs. And hypmotized us all. Only some went under and the rest laughed at them while they were acting out the 'hypnotic dream' (Hot then Cold, take your clothes off) All kinds of subliminal/sub-conscious sh*t!!!

WHAT A COOL PUBLIC SCHOOLING PROCEDURE!! I am still thinking about suing!!! (this is no lie) Anyone else remember this happening in their school in the 80's? I have friends who went to different schools in my area that did the same thing. Either it is local or it was state, national thing. I don't know. I know they did it to my class.

In the real world the home school kids are the "cool" kids!

I wish I could be just like you! I am socially mal-taught and mentally screwed from ISD schooling. (All except what I learned in American History class: 1700's -1945!!)
 
Scouting provides better socialization than do most schools.

What kbarrett said is too often true:

"Home schooled children are taught to socialize with adults.

"Public schooled children learn "Lord of the Flies" socialization."
 
I much prefer home schooled kids. About 50% of the kids I know are home schooled and they are the people I trust in my home unsupervised. Their social skills tend to be better and more adult-oriented. They might not enjoy kids their own age as much due to the lack of maturity in most kids...but I know many exceptions also.
 
It's nice to know that so many people are home schooling instead of sending their kids to the indoctrination camps.

Considering that there are a number pf public school teachers on this forum and former students, this comment isn't very 'high road.' I guess this never made sense to me, or maybe my school failed in the 'indoctrination' department. I received a qulaity education, thanks to the interactions between my teachers and my parents.

At one time, I had a very negative view of homeschooled kids. Most of the ones I came into contact with were not just weird, they were socially incapable of interacting with their peers and most adults. I have since found that this is not always the case and that there are many kids that receive a great education from being schooled at home.

I don't understand this need of some homeschoolers to bash other schools. I am glad you are happy with your decision, but is it necessary to defecate on the choices that other parents make? Some of you make it seem that the only path to success is through homeschooling. Not all public schools are socialist indoctrination camps. Not all public school kids are ignorant. Not all teachers are lefty brainwashers.
 
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We homeschooled all three of ours. The middle one is in college right now, very social, and pulling a 3.8 GPA. She is also going to graduate a year early since her last year of home school was taken at the local community college, allowing her college credits for both high school and college.

We just received our portfolio for the youngest one back from the school district. In the physical education section we included pictures and text of her learning to shoot handguns and rifles. :what: No one gave us any grief at all.

Socialization is always the first thing leveled at home school families. Anyone can end up weird and introverted, and we met some of those, but the vast majority were socialized across the spectrum, from babies to seniors, instead of being herded together with a group of kids all the same age. It makes a huge difference in their attitude and behavior.
 
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Not all public schools are socialist indoctrination camps. Not all public school kids are ignorant. Not all teachers are lefty brainwashers.

Not all Steve, but most. It is like saying not all reporters, newscaster, etc, in the mainstream media are liberals, but most are, and the influence they exert is overwhelming. I went through public school back in the 70s and I remember very well the fad teaching experiments we were made to endure, as well as the overall liberal attitudes displayed by most of my teachers. It hasn't gotten any better, and in a lot of cases it has gotten a lot worse.

We used to bring our guns to school so we could go shooting or hunting before or after class. Can't do that today! Members of the rifle team used to shoot in the school shooting range unsupervised! :what: There is lots more, but this is the gun related stuff.
 
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