Conversion cylinders

[Robertroadking]

I have an old Italian colt navy of unknown maker. Looking to get a conversion cylinder. Who knows the difference between Pietta and Ubertie cylinders?

 

[Griffen]

I do know they are different and one will not fit the other properly. Do you know the make of the revolver? The dimensions are slightly different on these and often one can find a reference for the proper fit. It could take gunsmithing to get the timing right.

 

[45 Dragoon]

Ratchets can be "massaged" and hands adjusted but the biggest difference is the length. Pietta's cylinders are longer than Uberti's. If in doubt, go with longer.

Mike

 

[Robertroadking]

I’ve “tuned” them roughly before when changing broken hands

 

[Robertroadking]

It has no makers Mark, but does have colts address

 

[1KPerDay]

I'd send your pistol to Howell's or Taylors and have them fit the appropriate one.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

It has no makers Mark, but does have colts address

Not trying to be argumentative but I've found the makers marks on dozens of revolvers that folks said they couldn't find any or they didn't have any.
have you used magnification?
Looked under the loading lever, under grips, in corners of places that might be assumed to be the wrong location?
disassembled and scoured the parts?
True it could be defarbed, or never had any manufactures marks and if it has a Colt address that probably increases the odds of their being no actual manufacturer's marks quite a bit.

 

[Malachi Leviticus Blue]

I'd send your pistol to Howell's or Taylors and have them fit the appropriate one.

That's a pretty good idea right there

 

[Robertroadking]

I'd send your pistol to Howell's or Taylors and have them fit the appropriate one.

I’m a redneck, We are not known for doing it the safest or smartest way . Now hold my beer while I drill and grind this sucker!

 

[Robertroadking]

Didn’t colt actually distribute some of the Italian jobs at one time?

 

[Jackrabbit1957]

Yes they did with the Signature series, and more.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

I'd send your pistol to Howell's or Taylors and have them fit the appropriate one.

Howdy

I second this idea.

About 15 years ago I sent this EuroArms Remington 1858 to Taylor's to have a cartridge conversion cylinder fitted to it. Not knowing whether to buy a Pietta or Uberti cylinder for it, I sent it directly to Taylor's. The gunsmith there fitted a Pietta cylinder to it. He had to shave a few thousandths off the front of the cylinder to get it to fit. After doing that he had the cylinder reblued. Then he sent my revolver back to me. This was a terrific deal, all I paid was the shipping to Taylor's, and I paid for the cylinder. The fitting was done FOR FREE, and they shipped the revolver back to me on their dime. To make it legal, they put the percussion cylinder back in the revolver, and the cartridge conversion cylinder was in a little box in the same package with the revolver.






I don't know if Taylor's will still do the gun smithing for free, but I would call them and ask about it. Even if they charge you to fit a cylinder, it would be worth it.

https://taylorsfirearms.com/

 

[Shortgrub]

If you buy the conversion cylinder from them they still will fit it for free.

 

[arcticap]

It has no makers Mark, but does have colts address

FWIW, if it only has a Colt barrel address then that usually indicates it's an Army San Marco.

 

[paul harm]

Driftwood, that's about as good as it gets. We just don't hear about service like that anymore. Hooray for Taylors.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

Driftwood, that's about as good as it gets. We just don't hear about service like that anymore. Hooray for Taylors.

There are many importers of Italian and other European made firearms. For my money, Taylor's is the best, because of the service they offer. Despite what some of the importers may tell you, pretty much, the firearms imported by any of the importers, Taylor's, Cimarron, Dixie, and the others are all the same. They all come off the same assembly lines at Uberti or Pietta. To me, service, not necessarily price, is how I chose which importer to use.

Taylor's is tops in my book.

 

[Shortgrub]

I have bought several firearms and conversion cylinders from Taylors over the years and have to say they stand behind their products and deserve the excellent reputation they have. I sent back a couple 1860 Avenging Angle's to them to look at. Shooting 2 foot high at 25 yds. and would not group. When they were returned they would group 5-6" and was only a foot high. I can live with that. Great service.

 

[shafter]

I didn't know Taylors did that. Sounds like an 1860 and 1858 will be headed their way soon.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

I didn't know Taylors did that. Sounds like an 1860 and 1858 will be headed their way soon.

My experience with Taylors and a conversion cylinder was a long time ago.

I suggest you call them to make sure before you send a revolver to them.

 

[AlexanderA]

About 15 years ago I sent this EuroArms Remington 1858 to Taylor's to have a cartridge conversion cylinder fitted to it. Not knowing whether to buy a Pietta or Uberti cylinder for it, I sent it directly to Taylor's. The gunsmith there fitted a Pietta cylinder to it. He had to shave a few thousandths off the front of the cylinder to get it to fit.

This may depend on the vintage of the Euroarms Remington. I have a Euroarms (ASP) made around 1985, and was able to fit a Howell conversion cylinder made for the Uberti to it with no gunsmithing required.

Edited to add:
Here is a picture of the Euroarms (Armi San Paolo) Remington (top) and the Uberti Remington (bottom). Both have Howell 5-shot conversion cylinders (made for Uberti) installed. The Uberti is generally the more robust of the two. This can be noticed in the thicker top strap, thicker trigger and trigger guard, and larger front sight. The Euroarms has a charming delicacy about it, however. Both are well made.

 

[Shortgrub]

All of mine have been the later vintage models and have been done the last 2-3 years. I just got back a 2nd. Model 1848 that they fitted the conversion cylinder. 45 Schofield in that big revolver with black powder is nothin but fun.

 

[Driftwood Johnson]

This may depend on the vintage of the Euroarms Remington. I have a Euroarms (ASP) made around 1985, and was able to fit a Howell conversion cylinder made for the Uberti to it with no gunsmithing required.

My old EuroArms Remington that I bought in 1975 was also made by Armi San Paolo (ASP).

The letters DGG surrounded by a circle stamped onto the bottom of the barrel are the old Armi San Paolo trademark.






As far as I can tell, EuroArms of Brescia Italy was an outfit that paid various manufacturers to make their products.





I have not fired it as a percussion revolver for many years. Here it is with its R&D 45 Colt cylinder. I usually fire it with 45 Schofield cartridges loaded with Black Powder.