Convert PPK/S to allow cocked and locked
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rcmodel
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I don't know for sure but I doubt it.
The PPK slide mounted safety is more a decocker/hammer block then a safety.
It works backwards to most safety's you are used to using.
And personally, is very awkward to take off safe in a hurry.
What's wrong with the safety off, DA first shot like it was designed for?
rc
The PPK slide mounted safety is more a decocker/hammer block then a safety.
It works backwards to most safety's you are used to using.
And personally, is very awkward to take off safe in a hurry.
What's wrong with the safety off, DA first shot like it was designed for?
rc
rcmodel
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That can be slicked up and lightened by a good gunsmith.
Or hand strength can be improved with some simple excercizes & inexpensive grip excercizers.
In addition, in the event TSHTF, the lady's adrenalin dump will give her the hand strength to crush the PPK's frame until the magazine won't come out!!
The PPK is a first generation DA/SA gun, and has a heavy DA pull from the get go.
But, it is stupid safe, and will prevent unintentional / ND shootings when your fingers twitch without you knowing it.
IMO: She needs to get strong enough to shoot the PPK DA the first shot.
OR, trade it for something more modern with a lighter, but still safe trigger pull.
Modding it to SA would open up a new can of worms legally if she ever had a ND or other accident.
Not many gunsmiths with the skill & knowledge to convert it would touch it with a 10 foot pole due to liability concerns.
rc
Or hand strength can be improved with some simple excercizes & inexpensive grip excercizers.
In addition, in the event TSHTF, the lady's adrenalin dump will give her the hand strength to crush the PPK's frame until the magazine won't come out!!
The PPK is a first generation DA/SA gun, and has a heavy DA pull from the get go.
But, it is stupid safe, and will prevent unintentional / ND shootings when your fingers twitch without you knowing it.
IMO: She needs to get strong enough to shoot the PPK DA the first shot.
OR, trade it for something more modern with a lighter, but still safe trigger pull.
Modding it to SA would open up a new can of worms legally if she ever had a ND or other accident.
Not many gunsmiths with the skill & knowledge to convert it would touch it with a 10 foot pole due to liability concerns.
rc
I have heard of it but I don't think its a good idea.
1. The factory mainspring has more than enough power, install a lighter mainspring from Wolf, I did it on a PP, it reduces the pull some. Just test with user's actual ammo.
2. next, get a smooth trigger installed or round the edges of the trigger it has. (big, big difference in subjective feel of effort/comfort.) These were the standard trigger before the GCA of 68. I buy them off Ebay. If the gun is stainless, rounding is easy, anyway you can't buy a stainless smooth trigger.
3. get the gun smoothed by someone experienced with Walthers (the walther forum guys like Mike at M&M Gunsmithing who worked for 15 years for Interarms.
I would advise doing 1 and 2 first, see how it feels. They will not be expensive to do, 10$ for a spring, 30$ for a trigger + cost of install (which is fast and easy for this for any real smith.)
Honestly it's possible just the smooth trigger alone will do the job, I have Walthers with both and it's surprising the difference it makes. Eventually I will switch them out on all my blued Walthers.
1. The factory mainspring has more than enough power, install a lighter mainspring from Wolf, I did it on a PP, it reduces the pull some. Just test with user's actual ammo.
2. next, get a smooth trigger installed or round the edges of the trigger it has. (big, big difference in subjective feel of effort/comfort.) These were the standard trigger before the GCA of 68. I buy them off Ebay. If the gun is stainless, rounding is easy, anyway you can't buy a stainless smooth trigger.
3. get the gun smoothed by someone experienced with Walthers (the walther forum guys like Mike at M&M Gunsmithing who worked for 15 years for Interarms.
I would advise doing 1 and 2 first, see how it feels. They will not be expensive to do, 10$ for a spring, 30$ for a trigger + cost of install (which is fast and easy for this for any real smith.)
Honestly it's possible just the smooth trigger alone will do the job, I have Walthers with both and it's surprising the difference it makes. Eventually I will switch them out on all my blued Walthers.
JohnnyFlake
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WHY It's a Double/Single Action Gun? If carrying it locked, draw, unlock and pull the trigger. If carrying it unlocked, just draw and pull the trigger.
Why would you want cocked & locked verses the above?
Don't get me wrong, I always carry my 1911 cocked & locked, but there is no DA feature on a 1911.
Why would you want cocked & locked verses the above?
Don't get me wrong, I always carry my 1911 cocked & locked, but there is no DA feature on a 1911.
GBExpat
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Because uncocked DA on the "PP" Series of pistols is rather brutal ... very heavy trigger pull.
After buying my first one ~40 years ago, I quickly gave up on the idea of initiating a first shot from a hammer-down configuration (except in a sudden & dire circumstance). I trained myself to cock the hammer upon draw.
Schlegal is correct about the smooth trigger--both for revolvers and heavy DA triggers. I have small hands which makes manipulation of triggers tricky--a smooth trigger allows the finger to slide along the face of the trigger without affecting aiming. My pre 68 PPK has the smooth trigger and while it is very heavy in double action--it is controllable.
Then again, I shoot revolvers double action and a PPK trigger is no heavier than a .22 snubbie trigger like on my Hi Std. Sentinel. Heavy triggers do not bother me as much as long as the trigger is smooth and I prefer them on CCW type weapons.
A suitable conversion to SA could conceivably be done but it would take a master gunsmith and money to make a safe and reliable CCW pistol.
Then again, I shoot revolvers double action and a PPK trigger is no heavier than a .22 snubbie trigger like on my Hi Std. Sentinel. Heavy triggers do not bother me as much as long as the trigger is smooth and I prefer them on CCW type weapons.
A suitable conversion to SA could conceivably be done but it would take a master gunsmith and money to make a safe and reliable CCW pistol.
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