Conwict's Bug-out Bag, prototype!

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in my vehicle/trunk bag i like to carry some basic stop gap repair items,
JB weld, radiator repair stuff, can of fix a flat, cigarette plug in air compressor, small toolkit/multitool, duct and electrical tape, and jumper cables, now really this is stuff everyone should have in their car in my opinion but alot of people don't think about it until it's too late
 
Appears to me that all of you forgot the most important things.

A case of Snickers and a bottle of Glen Livet. ;)

L.W.
 
in my vehicle/trunk bag i like to carry some basic stop gap repair items,
JB weld, radiator repair stuff, can of fix a flat, cigarette plug in air compressor, small toolkit/multitool, duct and electrical tape, and jumper cables, now really this is stuff everyone should have in their car in my opinion but alot of people don't think about it until it's too late

I do the same plus:
Fluids for everything
toss the temp spare and get a full size that you can actually get home on safely at full speed.
Repair manual
fuses
spare serp. belt
spare door key (I keep one in my wallet)
I never get below half a tank of fuel

I'd put money on the top 5 things that strand people other than running out of gas are:
flat tire
dead battery
locked keys in car
broken belt
busted hose

Have the tools and knowhow to take care of these five items and you are much less likely to have to walk.
 
I keep five different bug-out "bags". They're kinda specialized.
-The main "bag" is an old 26' motor home, fully self-contained and geared up. This set-up is intended for survival up to two months without re-supply and, of course, general recreation.
-Next are the two car bags, one in each rig. These resemble Conwict's selections, although the choices vary greatly from his. These are each designed to carry two people for two days, with water being the main limiter.
-There's the backpack rigs, with full camping gear and basic food for each of us. Water is, again, the tight point.
-Then there's the "at-work" kits, specializing in lights, radio, clothing, basic no-cook food, and first aid.
-Finally there's a "pocket" kit that carries the absolute minimum, fits in a purse or a messenger bag, and is probably closest to most folks ideas of a bug-out bag.
 
Plain water in the cooling system will not only allow extensive corrosion to form, cars run a lot hotter than they used to and they will badly overheat. Egg will clog coolant passages in the engine and cause damage.

Better to just maintain your car properly in the first place; that will forestall most of the problems you're likely to have. As a matter of fact, vehicle maintenance should be a major part of your emergency preparedness plan anyway. I know that's not as glamorous as cases of MREs and the like, but it's a lot hatder to bug out if your car breaks down halfway out of town.
 
Yep, egg is a bad idea.

Something that I have used in an emergency is black pepper.

It'll greatly reduce leakage from a damaged radiator, hose, water pump, or gasket long enough to get out of the back-woods and into a shop. Flushes out fairly easily.

Also tastes good on eggs.
 
A wise man said: "Appears to me that all of you forgot the most important things.

A case of Snickers and a bottle of Glen Livet."



Amen. And a log of Copenhagen.
 
My idea runs to stages: a vehicle kit, if the vehicle dies then a bicycle kit. Included in the bicycle kit is an on foot kit in case something happens to the bicycle. On my person at all times would be the bare minimum kit it would be difficult to survive with but probably impossible to survive without.

Of course, each kit becomes progressively lighter in weight.
 
Glad to see all the replies...it's more of a "make it to a safe(r) rural area outside of the metro area in the car" kinda bag...

I like the idea about the "inner bag."

I will slowly read and reply more.

BTW, I am pretty much in top shape. 40 miles I'm not sure if I can hike, but a 40 lb bag I could tote 10-15 miles.
 
After reading I think I'll cut the tools down a bit, and take some people up on 1st aid suggestions.

Not sure what's so "unbelievable" about the post or the bag, though. The tools are obviously the heaviest part, and that advice is well-taken. This was more of an overdo-it than underdo-it list and I will be removing hammer and some other stuff...

But, since a) it's a vehicle-based kit (mostly, I love that idea of an "inner bag") and b) I can easily hike a long way with 30-40 pounds...what's so unbelievable about it?

To the joker who asked about the sodium, I meant nacl.
 
conwict said:
To the joker who asked about the sodium, I meant nacl.
I wasn't laughing when I asked about it.

For all I know, it has some purpose in a BOB.

Now what about the psyllium fiber? What's a "contractor bag" ?
 
nalioth, nothing personal. But, a chemical name can refer to any variant of that chemical usually...just look at a package of mixed nuts and see the "Recommended daily allowance of sodium," etc. I didn't mean to come across mad though, I wasn't.

Psyllium fiber is just an insoluble fiber blend that slows down absorption of other nutrients, prevents diarrhea, and arguably increases energy for those reasons...I have a pretty solid knowledge-base with regard to nutrition, and though I need 3000+ calories to even maintain my weight, I feel I could function for a few weeks using protein, enough salt, plenty of fiber, and healthy fats for a total of about 1000 calories per day. Yeah, I'd lose 25 pounds in a month, but I'd be alive and have energy.

Contractor bags are just a very thick, tough "garbage bag" and they do an excellent job of holding in your body heat as a sleeping bag type thing, and double for plenty of other tasks. Their best advantage is folding up so small.

Thanks for the questions, I posted this for the purpose of discussion :)
 
Hi,
I'd recommend going camping overnight a few times with your BOB gag. That'll help you decide what you really want in your bug out kit, as well as if you like the way it is organized.

For example - more clothes. At least set pairs of shoes (one pair gets wet, then the second pair gets wet...) More money than $50, in separate areas (especially if you get robbed, you want to have some hidden somewhere else).

More ibprofin, smallest pill you can find (tiny pills have the same amount of active ingredient). Talcum powder is nice if you wear the same clothes without washing for a week.

For a bug out kit, get/borrow a digital camera and take pictures of your property. Save it to a thumb drive. Keep it in your car or BObag. After all is said and done, you'll want pictures to convince the insurance company you really lost what you say you lost.

Maybe bolt cutters, depending on where your imagine takes you for a disaster scenario.
 
Another vote for the listening to katrina website,
I read that and within days had scanned everything I have on paper, in a 'truecrypt' file on a micro usb stick, both laptops and online in 2 different places.
I am in the process of making up a BOB, although it wont contain half what you guys seem to carry!
 
uk, thanks for the paper idea. I will really have to check that site out. I'm a "one thing at a time guy" who has many things going on right now...will get to it eventually, but sooner would be better than later obviously.
 
Also, to anyone who says "why so much stuff," I would love to see your BOBs. Seriously. Not as part of a p-ing contest, just because I'd like to see what you take out.
 
SF, thanks. I guess I will make it a more short-term pack with a few long-term options. I don't have it assembled currently...

I do currently carry the basic tools, and could make do with them for a few days (gun, knife, light etc) but I want contingency items too.

Thanks for the food for thought. Seriously ;)
 
Not to nitpick just to correct,
chemical name can refer to any variant of that chemical usually...just look at a package of mixed nuts and see the "Recommended daily allowance of sodium," etc.
This is wrong, under that logic you could call any organism, a glock, alcohol or gasoline- "carbon"
a salt is a state of a chemical usually with an ionic bond for example sodium ascorbate is a salt of vitamin C I know you meant table salt(thats why I didn't bring it up before) The reason on the FDA guidleines it mentions just sodium is because it's measuring the daily allowance of sodium(the important part as Na regulates BP) the anion is immaterial.
As for the psyillium it can prevent diarrhea or CAUSE diarrhea depending on how much/what else your eating. I don't see where in a survival situation it would be needed(unless there is a medical reason for it)
 
qwert, you're right but obviously my statement wasn't meant to be so absolute as to call anything containing carbon "carbon." We do call certain chemicals by whatever aspect of their name is important to us, regardless of form or what they're bonded to, but that's not really even relevant to this thread and you are correct.

As for the psyillium it can prevent diarrhea or CAUSE diarrhea depending on how much/what else your eating. I don't see where in a survival situation it would be needed(unless there is a medical reason for it)

Also right, but I am a firm believer that getting ~40g fiber or a bit more really improves energy, especially on low-calorie diets. Most MREs are energy-dense, meaning high-fat and high-carb, but I would prefer to be high-fiber, high-protein, high-fat in survival situations. The long and short of the situation is that I would prefer my body lose fat than muscle if I am in "starvation mode," and fewer net carbs if you're on a drastically low-calorie diet means you are less likely to lose muscle.

My body type also does better (cleaner, more-balanced energy) with fewer carbs and more calories coming from protein and fat...but very few protein and fat foods actually contain fiber, so I choose to use psyllium.

Ancel Keys' study:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancel_Keys
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment

In the study 32 conscientious objectors were on a 1500ish-calorie per day diet of, basically, high-carbohydrate low-fat and low-protein foods. They starved pretty severely...

Another study under somewhat different conditions, but similar, put subjects on a diet of "all you can eat within reason" of high-fat, moderate-protein, low-carb, and they averaged about 1500 apiece with VERY different results. I'm currently looking for it.

On dialup so I won't parse the links but here is a good breakdown of what I'm talking about, including the second study:

http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...fat-loss-why-a-calorie-isnt-always-a-calorie/
 
conwict, I can see how fiber could help in a diet of nutrient dense foods, so I will retract my comment about not needing it in a survival situation. I was more concerned with someone getting the idea they can cure all types of diarrhea with some fiber.

Does the military supplement fiber? I would think MREs would be balanced but I have no experience with them. I never considered food a priority in my bug-out bag just some healthy snacks(course I have a nice layer of fat)
 
Off the top of my head, in my BOB;
24 oz water
canned nuts
breakfast bars
hard candy
(I rotate this items out frequently)
3 Bic lighters, individualy wrapped in plastuc
a stainless steel cup
space blanket
20 ' of cord
compass
large folding knife
Leatherman Tool
Small 1st Aid Kit
several ziplock plastic bags
one white garbage bag
pencil & paper

In my truck I have more food, more water, more ist Aid Stuff, a blanket, fusees, short handled shovel and extra shoes.
I'm always armed
Always have a Cowboy hat

It will take me 3 days max to get home. I have a secondary bug out place several miles farther.
 
qwert65 said:
Does the military supplement fiber? I would think MREs would be balanced but I have no experience with them. I never considered food a priority in my bug-out bag just some healthy snacks(course I have a nice layer of fat)
You go off on maneuvers for 2 weeks, you're gonna think "does the military supplement fiber". . . .
 
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