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U.C.Ranger

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Last night I cooked up a batch of a wad lube recipe I found on this forum (the forum is great!). I am just starting out on my black powder adventure and am wondering if I have already made my first mistake. When cooled, the lube set up as hard as a candle. I did not realize it would be that stiff and just want to make sure I am starting off right. This was the recipe that was 1 part pariffin, 1 part mutton tallow, and 1/2 part bees wax. I would love to have some feedback from anyone that has made this lube.
 
Generally, increasing the fat(tallow) will soften the mix. You should be able to add to your current mix, you also want to heat it to melting, ideally, a double boiler set up, to prevent scorching, which will add carbon and other burn byproducts to your final product.
 
Thanks for the reply. I did use the double boiler and all ingrediants were fully melted so no harm there. Will my current results work or should it be softened? If so, to what consistancy.
 
It will work just fine. I used the same recipe - to make felt wads dig out a couple tablespoons and melt it then add the felt wads - stir to coat evenly and keep stirring while they cool.
 
While it will work fine; you did make a candle, for you have two parts wax, one part fat. The lube I use is one part wax to two parts olive oil (or fat). You can increase the fat/oil a bit to get it a little softer, so two parts beeswax, five parts oil/fat. The wax is added to thicken the oil/fat for otherwise in very warm temps the stuff melts and runs everywhere. This is why beeswax, not parafin, is used, for parafin has a much lower melting temp than beeswax. Not to worry, though I started with a 50-50 mix of parafin and crisco, and played around until I found the consistency that I like, that didn't get runny in the tin left in the car while I was at a shoot in the summer time. You should experiment too.

LD
 
That recipe was first posted by me about 1999, and became named after me as "Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant." You have the correct ratios, but did you measure them by weight or volume? They must be measured by weight.
The old factory recipe, from which this is based, listed 10 pounds tallow, 10 pounds paraffin and 5 pounds beeswax. I used very specific ingredients: mutton tallow, canning paraffin and beeswax. If you used anything other than canning paraffin, which is pure, then that may be the problem. I don't use old candles for the paraffin, because who knows what else is in them, especially the scented variety.
If you used canning paraffin, the kind used to seal the tops of preserves, then you're okay.
In any case, it will work fine.
Gatofeo No. 1 Lubricant is a moderately stiff lube. It stiffens the felt wad its soaked in, yet is not too stiff for use in patches for round balls. I also use it for lubricating bullets used with black powder. I've also used it to lubricate heeled bullets loaded over smokeless powder. In fact, the factory recipe was originally used for outside-lubricated cartridges, in which the bare lead bullet was seated in the case up to its heel, then the cartridge was up-ended and dipped in melted lubricant up to the case.
It's a good lubricant, if you use the specific ingredients: canning paraffin, beeswax and mutton tallow.
 
I did use weight measurements. As you said perhaps the problem lies in the paraffin. It is called Gulf Wax. The box says it is a "householf paraffin for canning, candlemaking and many other uses". What do you think? Also, can I use the lube I made or should I order more supplies (mutton tallow,beeswax) and start again. By the way, I have the Duro Felt and will conduct my first shoot as sure as I have the lube issue straitened out!
 
U.C.Ranger,
That's what I use and it works well, that's the canning paraffin Gatofeo was talking about.

Mine sets hard but not as hard as a candle.

Try this, take a piece the size of a marble and put it in your fist for about 5 to 10 minutes. It should soften to the point you can shape it with your fingers. Bees Wax softens at body temperature and Mutton tallow is already soft. A paraffin candle won't soften in your hand the way the MuttonTallow/Bees Wax/ Paraffin lube will.

It may be fine, You really don't want it to be too soft, it flows upon firing. I actually warm it in my lubrisizer to help it flow and I have a summer mixture that has equal amounts of the three ingredients for my cap and ball pistols because it gets messy and the beeswax stiffens it. I could up the paraffin but it doesn't have the lubricating properties of the Beeswax.

If it softens in your hand then I think it is right on. It's not soft like grease.

Best of luck,
Mako
 
makos goods

I did the hand test as you suggested. My mixture became soft and workable like you said it should.

I became concerned when after it cooled I was unable to get some of the wads apart. How do you expose your wads to the lube?

U.C.Ranger
 
I use Gatofeo's recipe.
THANKS Gatofeo!
Yes it is stiff.
Either heat it up or microwave it with some felt wads,
or
melt some up and pour out a thin sheet (1/4") & just cut cookies with a punch.
You can skip the felt altogether.
I use them between ball & powder in my cap guns at cowboy matches.
My barrels are very clean when I get home.
--Dawg
 
A Word of Thanks

I would like to take a moment to thank all of the folks that have tried to help me with my lube confusion. I read through several forums as I began my search for BP shooting information and The High Road seemed like it was the one that had several members that truly cared about the sport and helping out someone that was just getting started. If anyone has anymore information on this subject please don't hesitate to post it here. I will continue to check in. Once again, thanks!

U.C.Ranger
 
I would toss the parafin and go with beeswax. Again, parafin is much lower melting temp, which is why I abandoned it. I wanted something that wouldn't go runny on a summer day, but still stay pliable in freezing temps.

LD
 
I would toss the parafin and go with beeswax. Again, parafin is much lower melting temp, which is why I abandoned it. I wanted something that wouldn't go runny on a summer day, but still stay pliable in freezing temps.

LD
Loyalist Dave,
I just reread my original post and I guess it made it sound like paraffin had a higher melting point than beeswax. If you read I said that a paraffin candle won't soften in your hand but a Mutton Tallow/Beeswax/Paraffin lube would. I hope I didn't confuse anyone.

The Royal Oak (Gulf Wax) product melts around 128° F and Beeswax typically melts at 145°. Not a huge difference, but the beeswax mixture is stiffer above 100°. It's the Mutton tallow that makes everything softer at human body temps.

I also said I added Beeswax for my summer cap and ball mix. I do know one thing, and that is that particular mix doesn't flow as well in my lubrisizer if I'm trying to lube bullets and not not use a base heater. I can lube without a heater in the summer with the #1 lube mix, but I have to (I choose to) use a heater like you do for smokeless lube such as the Rooster lubes (which have a melting point above 200° F).

I can force the lube through the sizer and it will soften a bit and flows under the shear from the extrusion through the port, but I'm putting load on my sizer and I want it to last. I have gone to a modified #1, I guess you could call it a #1 Mutton Enhanced Lube or #1 MEL for short for my CAS cartridge bullets. I actually up the Mutton tallow ratio which makes it even stickier and it flows very nicely.

When I lube, I wipe the bases on a rag before loading and line them up on a tray to keep the bases clean. It may be a bit messier at loading, but it's really hard to tell how much messier. With high volume loading on the 650 I handle a lot of bullets and even hard lube smokeless bullets get you a bit messy.

U.C. Ranger,

Speaking of summer heat and loaded cartridges:
I conducted a test two years ago because I was concerned about lube contaminating the powder in cartridges in our hot summer heat. I made my #1 MEL lube and added some phtalogen blue die as a marker indicator and loaded some .45 Colt cases and then cut the bottoms off of the cases. I then pushed an absorbent medical pad I cut with the punch I use to make my .45 caliber wads for my .44 caliber C&B wads up against the base of the bullets.

I left a tray containing 20 of these (bullet end up) on the dash of a truck which sat out all day for a week in temps that went above 100° on most days. The thermometer in the tray showed over 150° between 4 and 5 pm everyday. After a week I pulled the absorbent wads from the base end and inspected them for traces of die or lube. The pads came out clean. With a well fit bullet and a clean base to start with the lube doesn't flow just sitting in the sun.

I went to this trouble because the Mutton Tallow is what is really doing most of the work as a fouling lubricant. The Waxes are primarily carriers. I can go an entire match with even the longest barreled .44WCF (I used to have a 30" '73) and it won't foul out or drop off in accuracy at CAS ranges. My worst fouler was/is a 19" barreled '66 in .44 special I shoot .44 Russian cartridges through. I bought it used and there is a spot about 3 inches from the bore that begins to get dark after about 50 rounds. I can go an 8 stage match without cleaning but I usually usually pull a bore snake after three or four stages to keep me from worrying. That carbine is the primary reason I started using the #1 MEL.

It works, you can tell at cleaning. One patch on a slotted holder with moose milk pulled through from the receiver to get the crude out then followed with a dry patch from the muzzle on a jag. Followed by another moose milk patch and other dry patch and then a Ballistol soaked patch before going bore down in a plastic cup in the safe waiting for next week.

Before the #1 MEL the cleaning rest of the rifles were easy to clean but I had to run multiple alternating moose milk and dry patches through the carbine. With the #1 MEL they all clean quicker, which tells me the fouling is either softer or not as heavy.

For my Army models I use #1 Lube, or the 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 summer mix. I use the summer mix because my hands would get greasier and the lube was soft by the time we reached noon. I wipe my hands and rinse with alcohol (I also use a rosin bag) but I noticed my clothes were dirtier in the summer. I have used the summer mix even in December which was mild by Northern standards and it worked fine. But I have two different (actually three if you count the #1 MEL) lubes all based on the classic Mutton Tallow lube I keep on hand. I just bought 6 pounds of Tallow a couple of months ago, so I'll be doing this for a while.

I keep the wads in a little tin box in my loading box. I use Dura Felt like you do I have a small pyrex bowl I melt the lube in and then dunk a hand full of wads in I then fish them out one at a time and put them on newspaper. I've tried wax paper and butcher paper, it really doesn't matter much. I let them dry then peel them off and put them in the can.

They should basically look like this:
wads.jpg

Not too fussy, but you can tell the wads on the left have been fully soaked and have absorbed the lube. I just load powder, add the wad, seat the ball and reholster the pistols. It may be as long as 30 minutes before I cap and go to the line. I even had a pair of loaded pistol that sat until the next day in the heat. We had a pardner get sick and we stopped the match temporarily. A couple of us drove him into town to have him checked out. I shot the pistols Sunday afternoon so I could clean them and I couldn't tell any difference in the report, recoil or accuracy. Those pistols sat in a case in an enclosed vehicle for hours while we waited at the minor emergency center, then the ride home. It was over 24 hours before they were fired. I didn't expect any less.

The above account is not a definitive test, it is purely anecdotal. But it was about this time of year and it was with the original #1 formula even before I made my changes. It can only be better now for summer conditions.

Remember, it's the Tallow that does the work. Other things like petroleum Jelly mention in a post above is added as a softener, other things like Paraffin or Beeswax are primarily added as stiffeners. Beeswax however does has lubricating properties of it's own. The Paraffin flashes liquid quickly at firing which spreads your lube.

There are other forms of paraffin waxes, some have melting points as high as 160° F. Some of these waxes were used to lubricate .22 LR or even the .38 and .44 caliber heeled bullets that preceded the inside the case lubed bullets. They didn't lubricate as well as the #1 lube, but then again we shoot more in a year than most of those 19th century cowboys shot in the lifetime of their guns.

Have fun,
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Mako,

Wow!

That was some good reading. I will be reading your post several times to soak it all in. They say one picture is worth a thousand words and that can easily be said about your wad picture. That is exactly what mine looks like. Thank you so much for going to the trouble to provide me with such good information.

U.C.Ranger
 
Lots of good pointers! I'll be joing the BP club very soon, and I'm trying to get ahead of the curve :)

Mako: When it's cold I use a 60 watt light bulb held next to the lube chamber in my RCBS/Lyman lubrisizer (std alox/beeswax - currently using Javelina). Works great & avoids the mess from the base heater plate. The hard lubes are nice for handling after sizing/lubing, but overall a pain to use IMO. Maybe I'm old fashioned (that's a real possibility... ;) )
 
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