clubsoda22
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Just noticed that my bersa thunder does the same thing as my HK USP. The slide automatically releases when you ram a loaded mag home. I think that's a pretty cool feature.
cool slide release thingie
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ChickenHawk
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Hi CS22,
My Bersa Thunder .380 does not do that.
It's pretty typical for Glocks to do it, but I've never experienced it with my Bersa (about 500 rounds through mine).
Not sure if that's meaningful in any way.
Regards,
ChickenHawk
My Bersa Thunder .380 does not do that.
It's pretty typical for Glocks to do it, but I've never experienced it with my Bersa (about 500 rounds through mine).
Not sure if that's meaningful in any way.
Regards,
ChickenHawk
itgoesboom
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Mine does that, if the magazine is fully loaded and you give it a good tap.
Either way, don't matter. I train to manually rack it, but if it loads itself, that saves me a step.
I.G.B.
Either way, don't matter. I train to manually rack it, but if it loads itself, that saves me a step.
I.G.B.
clubsoda22
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If you just slide it in it won't do it, you need to give it a solid hit. Same with my HK.
The bersa might not consider it a feature, but i'm pretty sure the HK is designed to do it as many of their early handguns didn't even have slide releases.
The bersa might not consider it a feature, but i'm pretty sure the HK is designed to do it as many of their early handguns didn't even have slide releases.
Gerald McDonald
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Had a USP, it never did it.
Erik Jensen
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my Beretta 92F does it, my Kahr MK40 does not.
Zundfolge
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My Steyr M40 does that occasionaly (especially if you slap it pretty good).
I'm not sure this is a "feature" or not, but its kinda neet (I thought something was broken the first time it happened ... thankfuly the guys on TFL assured me it was fine)
I'm not sure this is a "feature" or not, but its kinda neet (I thought something was broken the first time it happened ... thankfuly the guys on TFL assured me it was fine)
horge
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That's because the slide lock engages the slide just so.
Try it with no mag anywhere, slide locked back, and give the magwell a good upward whack. Ka-chakkk!!
The impact jiggles the slide and the lock apart just briefly enough to allow both the slide and the lock to get out of Dodge.
You can't do it slapping in an empty magazine though.
You know how that little ledge on the magazine feeder platform causes the slide lock? It always holds the slide lock up higher than it would otherwise stay on its own --hence, no room for jiggling free.
I think it's a quirk to be taken advantage of for fast reloads.
Dunno that it was an intended design feature, else, why does slowly inserting a loaded mag fail to release the slide-lock?
Either way, Bersa users are way ahead.
hth
PS: Did you try it with no mag? Am I right? Am I right? What do i win??
Try it with no mag anywhere, slide locked back, and give the magwell a good upward whack. Ka-chakkk!!
The impact jiggles the slide and the lock apart just briefly enough to allow both the slide and the lock to get out of Dodge.
You can't do it slapping in an empty magazine though.
You know how that little ledge on the magazine feeder platform causes the slide lock? It always holds the slide lock up higher than it would otherwise stay on its own --hence, no room for jiggling free.
I think it's a quirk to be taken advantage of for fast reloads.
Dunno that it was an intended design feature, else, why does slowly inserting a loaded mag fail to release the slide-lock?
Either way, Bersa users are way ahead.
hth
PS: Did you try it with no mag? Am I right? Am I right? What do i win??
Tamara
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Really? My USP never did...
Flashpoint
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My Steyr will do it every time as long as I slap the mag in by pushing on the front part of the bottom of the mag, you know, kinda at an angel. I don't know if it developed that "feature" or it always done that and it took me a little while to discover how it worked.
clubsoda22
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Try it with no mag anywhere, slide locked back, and give the magwell a good upward whack. Ka-chakkk!!
The impact jiggles the slide and the lock apart just briefly enough to allow both the slide and the lock to get out of Dodge.
Yeah, i know it works with no mag, but it's a lot easier to do with a full magazine because the added weight of the full mag adds to the momentum.
The impact jiggles the slide and the lock apart just briefly enough to allow both the slide and the lock to get out of Dodge.
Yeah, i know it works with no mag, but it's a lot easier to do with a full magazine because the added weight of the full mag adds to the momentum.
I had a 1911 that did that and I sent it back to the factory to get it fixed. It happened during an IPSC match and freaked me out. I did a mag change after shooting it dry and the slide went down all by itself. I stopped moving and stood there for a second and had to think about what just happened. I know some that like that "feature", but I don't. I want to have control over when the slide drops on my gun, not the other way around.
Just my .02
FWIW, they redid the slide to make the notch a little more defined so the slide lock would have a tighter fit. Also adjusted, or changed, I forget which, the ejector. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but they did that work also. Also replace the front sight, but I know that had nothing to do with it, I think.
Just my .02
FWIW, they redid the slide to make the notch a little more defined so the slide lock would have a tighter fit. Also adjusted, or changed, I forget which, the ejector. Don't know if that had anything to do with it, but they did that work also. Also replace the front sight, but I know that had nothing to do with it, I think.
WonderNine
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Sounds like it's all to do with a particuliar example of a gun's tolerances. Some models of a particuliar gun will do it and some won't just depending on the gun. FYI I've never had a gun that would do this.
Daniel T
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My Mauser M2 does it.
The first time I experienced this phenomenon was on an older Colt Mark IV stainless that a friend had bought for about $300. It startled me so much, since I'd never seen a 1911 do something like that (and haven't since), that I refused to shoot his pistol anymore. Now I know why he got such a good deal on it. I've found out since that it has more "features" that were discovered later.
The first time I experienced this phenomenon was on an older Colt Mark IV stainless that a friend had bought for about $300. It startled me so much, since I'd never seen a 1911 do something like that (and haven't since), that I refused to shoot his pistol anymore. Now I know why he got such a good deal on it. I've found out since that it has more "features" that were discovered later.
Depending on this as an "undocumented feature" is unwise. That said, all my guns do it for I am left handed. When reloading I lay the main knuckle of my trigger finger on the slide release, just there, not pushing down. When you seat the mag the slide releases. A useful feature given the popularity of forced slidelock loads in IDPA these days. If there is no time to chamber check you would probably be better served in real life to always rack the slide, possibly losing one live round, but possibly preventing you from meeting a person in need of shooting with an empty chamber.
Flashpoint
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or just check the chambered round indicator button on the bck of the slide.
cidirkona
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My bersa hasn't done that yet... but I'll try it when I get home.
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well i just tried this with my firestorm 380. I had to give it a pretty good hit with my palm but it did work but.... also it was the 1st jam i ever had with it too by trying that BTW this was with federal hydro-skoks in the mag
highway
BTW this was with federal hydro-skoks in the maghighway
The HK USP owners manual has this warning in the section on loading...
WARNING: Forcefully inserting a loaded magazine into the USP may cause the pistols slide to close, chambering a cartridge and making the USP ready to fire....
In my firearms class we discuss this very thing. This is not a design flaw nor is it purposely built into the handgun, its simply the way its built. HK does NOT recommend that you depend on this to load the gun. Always use the slide release or rack the slide to load the pistol. Because, sometimes it won't chamber a round, but you might think it has.
I have an HK USP and I love it, its nothing but fun to shoot.
The HK website is here
http://www.hk-usa.com/
WARNING: Forcefully inserting a loaded magazine into the USP may cause the pistols slide to close, chambering a cartridge and making the USP ready to fire....
In my firearms class we discuss this very thing. This is not a design flaw nor is it purposely built into the handgun, its simply the way its built. HK does NOT recommend that you depend on this to load the gun. Always use the slide release or rack the slide to load the pistol. Because, sometimes it won't chamber a round, but you might think it has.
I have an HK USP and I love it, its nothing but fun to shoot.
The HK website is here
http://www.hk-usa.com/
cidirkona
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It works with my FireStorm .380... it's kinda cool, but for as much as it makes my palm sore, I think I'll just stick with using the slide release or pulling the slide back...
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