Again, I am not defending Ramirez particularly
This thead is about Ramirez, and what
he did. It is not about Amadou Diallo, nor is it about Vicki Weaver. It is not about whether or not Ramirez had a pony as a child. It is about a murder that he has admitted to.
but there is nothing to indicate that the officer was in uniform.
Not true.
"He then put (the gun) right on Hugo's badge and pulled the trigger," Davis said.
Even if there wasn't anything to indcate that he was in uniform, neither is there anything to suggest (with perhaps the exeption of the imagination of the cop-killer cheerleaders) that he wasn't in uniform. That makes the point about the uniform being on/off, equivocal, rather than dispositive, and therefore (without more information) for the purposes of this discussion, moot.
One must also reasonably believe that the threat that the armed person will use their weapon unlawfully is imminemt.(sic)
If a police officer is performing a lawful search for weapons, and the suspect begins to break away
upon discovery of said weapon, then using the accepted standard of what a "reasonable person" would believe; it can reasonably be asserted that the "imminent" requirement has been met.
All we have is an unsworn statement by Chief Davis(who apparently was not at the scene at the time) to the press that the officer was shot in the badge.
Yet another distortion on your part. The Chief did not say that "the officer was shot in the badge".
He said
"He then put (the gun) right on Hugo's badge and pulled the trigger," Davis said.
which is entirely different from your distortion.
I just cannot let an assertion that killing people simply because thay are armed is justified go unchallenged.
The only people making that assertion are you and the rest of the cop-killer cheering squad.
My position is now, and forever will be, that what the suspect says in his own words (his, not mine, in case it still hasn't sunk in yet)amounts to murder.
In his account to the detectives after his arrest May 18, 2000, Ramirez said Arango threatened his cousin, Alvaro Ramirez, for moving his hands after being frisked. "He shouted he was going to bust his head open," Bautista Ramirez said.
And then he says
Ramirez said he turned away when the officer reached for the gun, "and he hit me on the head. And I thought, 'Well, he's going to kill me.' "
You will note that Ramirez is quoted as saying "the officer", not "the guy", or "the mugger", or "the guy that was going to kill me."
Nowhere in any of the articles is Ramirez quoted as refering to the dead cop as anything other than a policeman. Nowhere.
Nowhere in any of the reported testimony did the person, whose life is on the line, say that he was afraid BECAUSE HE DIDN"T KNOW THAT THE PERSON HE KILLED WAS A COP.
In fact, so far, the only person making
that suggestion, is you!
