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Cop Stabbed During Dunkin' Donuts Heist

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TechBrute, Jun 29, 2005.

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  1. TechBrute

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    No one will disagree that the cop is a hero, but I'm surprised that there is no mention of him having a piece. I don't know if NY cops can carry off duty or what the whole story is.

     
  2. garyk/nm

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    Saw the video of this on Fox last night. No hesitation on the officer's part, just jumped in knee-deep and tried to get things under control. I wonder if Officer Schiavelli "clanks" when he walks?
    (Big...made of brass...never mind).

    Officer, I salute you!
     
  3. Henry Bowman

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    Appears that the off-duty cop LEO was unarmed. :(

    I like the way Fox News added some "balance" by calling the "suspect" both a "punk" and a "thug"! :D


    Those Yankee fans! :rolleyes:
     
  4. rhubarb

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    Imagine that! A cop whose desire to protect the public and stop a bad guy is more important than his own safety.

    Imagine that! A post on THR about a cop that refers to him as a hero.

    Thank you, Officer Schiavelli.

    Imagine that! A cop walks into a donut shop...sorry
     
  5. TechBrute

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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Good work officer!

    I guess a comment about the location would be inappropriate. :) ....no hesitation..... :)
     
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    A real cop. Hats off to the officer.
     
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    I saw that on the news earlier today. I made the comment at the time that it had to be running through the officer's mind how much of a cliche his being there would be.... You know that after the congrats and slaps on the back when he gets back to work, there's going to be a little bit of razzing going on.
     
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    Never get between a cop and his donuts. :)






    Sorry I couldn't help myself...........actually I think the cop is a brave man and I hope he gets a promotion out of this.
     
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    All jokes aside, I know one place where that cop will never have to pay for a donut and coffee again :)
     
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    Yet another parole and probation poster boy.
     
  12. dinosaur

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    He was unarmed which if you knew the neighborhood you'd think he was nuts. :what: He's a heavy hitter with about 46 arrests in a 2 year period.

    There are pics from a surveillance camera out there on the net that show the whole thing.

    Now that the starting pay in the NYPD is $25,000 you'll be seeing much more of these heroics. :rolleyes:
     
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    Thank you, I needed a good laugh this morning :)

    As someone else said, a real cop and hats off to him.
     
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    Wonder why he wasn't carrying a weapon while off duty. Is it that maybe he can't carry one being in NY? What's the laws there for CCW and off duty cops?
     
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    I believe he is allowed to carry off duty. Kahr K-40/K-9 I think. He may just not have had it on him. Or had it in the car. "I won't need it I'm just going to the donut shop..

    Bet ya $10 he'll have it on him from now on though.

    Either way...Damn good job..
     
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    When an unarmed cop attempts to subdue an armed assailant, gets slashed (injury to be cared for at taxpayer expense, I assume, as well as time off work), and the assailant gets away after the unarmed cop is unable to apprehend him, I question whether there was any need for his intervention at all. The story says that they know the assailant's identity, and he is as yet not in custody.

    Please tell me how the cop's actions helped any, and why the result of his actions are worth his injury. My own feeling is that if he did not have a gun on him, he should not have intervened. Or are we now of the opinion on THR that it's wise for anyone, cop or otherwise, to engage in hand-to-hand combat against a blade-wielding opponent? I thought it was well and thoroughly settled that if you go hand-to-knife, or even knife-to-knife, you are very likely to be cut even if you otherwise triumph.

    I don't mean to diminish the officer's heroism -- it does take courage to go after the knife-wielder -- it's just that the reasoning behind it seems a bit off, to me.

    -Jeffrey
     
  17. Steve in PA

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    Ask the clerk in the donut shop what he/she thinks of the actions of the cop.
     
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    It seemed to me that the attempt to stab the donut clerk had already been made, and failed, by the time the cop intervened.

    It is just bad cop-sense for an NYC cop, off-duty or not, to not have a firearm on him -- and this would have been the ideal situation where it would have come in handy.

    We really can't say whether the cop's actions prevented injury to the clerk. I presume that once the money was obtained, the thug would have gone off on his way. (He did so on the other occasions when he robbed the place. Oh, I'm sorry... allegedly robbed the place.)

    My problem is with the idea of a cop being unarmed. Talk about squandering the right to carry. :banghead:


    -Jeffrey
     
  19. TechBrute

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    Uh... because he acted when the perp began to assault the clerk. This is what a cop is SUPPOSED to do.
     
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    Yes, and what was that about bringing bare hands to a knife fight?

    Or one poster's admonition: "Have a gun!" :uhoh:

    While I grant that the comparison is differentially weighted, I would not want a cop to simply jump into the water with me if I had fallen off the Maid of the Mist. :rolleyes:

    Isn't there something to be said for the expectation that a cop, on duty or off, would apply judgment to his decision of how to render assistance?

    If an off-duty fireman ran into a burning building to rescue babies and succumbed to smoke because (and he should know this) he is not immune to asphyxiation, and he cost himself his life or his health, I would not be calling him a hero so much as I would be saying he was brash, and his training had failed him somehow. These are all guys who have been trained how to approach a situation, and rule number one, I would imagine, would be BE PREPARED.

    Going off half-cocked and ill-prepared is not heroic. It's reckless. Doesn't seem to do much good for anyone, either. It was someone else who got the license plate, after all. Now we have an injured cop. Why? Primo reason: he didn't have a GUN to use, or if he did, he didn't choose to use it.


    -Jeffrey
     
  21. Steve in PA

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    Some cops carry off-duty, some don't. It looks like in this instance, he wasn't.

    He saw something taking place and reacted. The same way a fireman driving down the street will probably run into a burning house (not fully engulfed) to save someone's life. Its what they do.

    Yes, being prepared would be a good thing, although I don't know too many fireman that carry bunker gear and air packs in thier pov. Last winter, two on duty cops here in PA ran into a burning house to save a family. I guess according to you they should have just stood by and watched them burn since they "weren't prepared"?
     
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    First rule of a gunfight: Have a gun.

    This probably should have been an easy gunfight. Unfortunately, this officer was unarmed. Okay. So he shoulda grabbed his piece when he left the house to feed his donut habit ( :D ) that morning. But he didn't. Should have had the gun. Got it.

    Now, he enters the store and sees a bad guy attempting to stab a clerk. What should this unarmed cop do? The Bad Guy is still up on the counter, posing an immediate threat to the clerk, and doesn't yet know that the cop is there. What should the unarmed cop do? Run back outside the store and call for backup? (Shrug) I guess he could very well have done that, and he would have been within policy. Only problem with that, is that by doing so, he's left the knife-wielder in there with the clerk, threatening to cut the clerk. Suppose someone else walks in, and a hostage situation develops? No, a brave man who weighs his chances might well sieze the opportunity and grab the guy. Is it the very best option for all concerned? I don't know. I wasn't there and neither were you. But the fact is, it was a quick response that took guts, and it effectively rendered the robber incapable of harming the clerk. The officer stopped the threat to a citizen, while risking only (ONLY) his own skin. Would it have been better if the cop had managed to bring the guy into custody, and not get hurt? You bet. Too bad he couldn't. It wasn't for lack of trying, though.

    I'm utterly fascinated at how someone could find a way to criticize the cop in the way he handled this, based entirely upon that story. :scrutiny:

    Here's to Officer Schiavelli-- a good cop who serves his public.


    Oh, and nowhere did it say that they had the identity of the perp. They just said that he was suspected in two other Duncan Donut robberies.

    (What kind of moron holds up a Duncan Donuts? Might as well attempt to rob a FOP convention...)
     
  23. Khaotic

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    What kind of moron holds up a Duncan Donuts? Might as well attempt to rob a FOP convention...

    Damn, ya beat me to the punchline!

    +1 Cop - he made the best he could out of the situation, really.

    It probably happened fairly quick, and out of sheer protective reflex he acted immediately without concern for himself, and gave it his best shot at not only protecting the clerk, but trying to apprehend the suspect.

    For mine own I am of the opinion that everyone should pack iron 24-7, including LE folks, on or off duty, cause it's like packing a condom in your shirt pocket... you may never need it, but the one time you do, man it's nice to have one handy, ehe ? :D

    -K
     
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    In an ideal world, Schiavelli and other patrons of the donut shop would have CCWs. Well, it ain't an ideal world, its New York. Schiavelli saw an attack on somebody & did his best to prevent it.

    He did what he could with what he had at the time, succeeds in foiling the attack, and gets off with a moderately serious knife wound. The BG gets picked up later.

    That seems like a pretty good outcome, with the exception of the officer's wound.
     
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    The 'alleged' robber was arrested just down the road from me. He had come to VA to hide out at his brother’s apartment.



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    A suspect wanted in New York City for allegedly stabbing an off-duty police officer who intervened as officials say the man was trying to rob a donut shop was apprehended Tuesday afternoon in Newport News.

    Shron Lamont Killings was arrested around 4:45pm at an apartment in the 400 block of Turlington Road. Newport News police say the apartment was being rented by Killings' brother. According to authorities, when they arrived at the apartment, Killings tried to flee - but he was apprehended as he tried to escape through a window.

    The robbery attempt at a Brooklyn Dunkin' Donuts Monday was replayed across the country and on cable news outlets after the incident was recorded by store surveillance cameras.

    In the video, the knife-wielding suspect tries to jump the counter in an apparent robbery attempt.

    An off-duty NYC police officer who was also in line at the donut shop is seen in the video grabbing the suspect during his jump attempt, then wrestling with the suspect until he eventually flees from the location.

    During the encounter, the suspect appears to swing his knife towards the officer.

    The New York Daily News reports the officer was released Tuesday from the hospital where had been receiving treatment for his wound.

    Killings remains in custody in Newport News awaiting extradition to New York City.


    You New Yorkers can have him back. :D
     
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