copy of form 4473?? for Beretta promo

[dogtown tom]

Trent Damn, from that linked ATF document above, I happen to find the opinion on "contiguous state" the most interesting read. I didn't realize you could buy a long gun over the counter anywhere in the US, regardless of your state of residence.

The "contiguous state" requirement disappeared in 1986 from Federal law.
States may have more restrictive laws.....you cannot acquire a firearm in another state if that firearm is prohibited in your own state of residence.

 

[mgkdrgn]

I don't understand why 4473 isn't a duplicate form to begin with in which the buyer receives a copy after filling it out.

A 'cause its the gumment and that would make too much sense. Like going to all the expense to add 10a to the form ... and then NOT COLLECT the data. Frickin brilliant minds at work there.

 

[oneounceload]

Get a copy of the 4473, blackout the D/L or SSN info - they most likely want to verify the serial number as being part of theirs. ( why they wouldn't take the UPC code from the box I don't get) - Not like the items they are giving away are real expensive. If you don't want to do it, a case and glasses equal to what they will send you can be found at your local gun show or Walmart for about $20 total

 

[dogtown tom]

mgkdrgn

Quote:
Originally Posted by Shawn Dodson
I don't understand why 4473 isn't a duplicate form to begin with in which the buyer receives a copy after filling it out.

A 'cause its the gumment and that would make too much sense.

What purpose would a "duplicate" copy serve?
Other than the 1/1000 that needs it for a rebate it would just be another three pages of dead trees.

Give me a one sided, single page 4473 and THAT would meet the ideals of the Paperwork Reduction Act.

Like going to all the expense to add 10a to the form ... and then NOT COLLECT the data. Frickin brilliant minds at work there.

It isn't about data collection, but accurately recording the identity and description of the buyer and properly reporting that on a NICS check. Those buyers who only selected "Hispanic" on the old 4473 and failed to choose a race were submitting an incomplete 4473. It improves the accuracy of those NICS checks.

 

[carbine-13]

Beretta offered a similar deal a few years ago with the purchase of a shotgun. Lots of free stuff for little effort on my part. I'd do it again. After all, if Beretta misuses the info they'd be liable.

Also it makes from Beretta's perspective that they be able to show the gun was purchased legally.

 

[Nickel Plated]

Wow, a 12 week wait and having to gather up and send in all that stuff to them? All for a gun case and some shooting glasses? Forget that nonsense.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

Clearly states in a couple places they want the 4473 or you don't get your stuff.

I guess you don't get their stuff, then. That form is between you, the FFL and the ATF, no one else. And as a practical matter, how do they propose you obtain it? Go back to the shop and dig through all his 4473s, assuming he will even give you a copy?

This reminds me of the gun range that not only demanded to see one's federal paperwork to shoot an automatic weapon, but wanted to keep copies of it on file. http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/230601935/m/7870021992
(note: possible "colorful" language)

 

[footballboy3]

I had to get a copy for a Sig promo a few years ago. Academy Sports gave me a copy with no problems.

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

The front side of the 4473 has no purchase information on it. Did they copy the front and back sides?

 

[Birch Knoll]

And as a practical matter, how do they propose you obtain it? Go back to the shop and dig through all his 4473s, assuming he will even give you a copy?

I would imagine you'd just walk up to the counter and say, "Would you mind making me copy of the 4473 for that gun I bought from you last week?"

Not so hard.

 

[dogtown tom]

ttolhurst

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lone Haranguer
And as a practical matter, how do they propose you obtain it? Go back to the shop and dig through all his 4473s, assuming he will even give you a copy?

I would imagine you'd just walk up to the counter and say, "Would you mind making me copy of the 4473 for that gun I bought from you last week?"

Not so hard.

This.
It isn't that difficult to make a copy.........and if your dealer refuses, find another one who values your business.

 

[HadEmAll]

Beretta sent me my two free PX4SC magazines last year even though the jackasses that sold me the pistol wouldn't provide a copy of the 4473. I didn't blame them for asking for it, and would have had absolutely no problem providing it if I'd gotten a copy.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

The ATF newsletter refers to the ATF Form 4473, Firearms Transaction Record (Form 4473), so I think of it as a federal form not as proof of purchase.

While the Date of Birth, driver's license number, Social Security Number, residential address, and other 4473 info constitute a virtual identity theft kit, we do have to remember that some of us routinely supply vendors with credit or debit card account info or if check-by-phone 9 digit bank and 12 digit check account numbers.