Court Officers 2A rights being violated!!

[Sig 226 .40]

You took the words out of my mouth gc70..thank you! I did NOT come on here seeking sympathy like a few misguided folks inferred. I posted this to inform others of this violation occuring and that privacy rights are being invaded.
NavyLt...I'm sorry for you that you may not have realized the ramifications of joining our military services before you took your Oath. Please don't preach to me about the woes of serving our Nation..I am a soon to retire senior NCO in the reserves. I did my share of active time under the Clinton regime. YOU however do realize that you are the property of the US government. Simply put..expendable. Cannon fodder. I am not the property of NY state. You get a bad OER for insubordination. We(per our Rules and Procedures) have to obey any order that we may disagree with. And grieve it later. If we do disobey the unlawful order, We get a counseling statement, 2 weeks suspension without pay AND we lose our pay increment for the following year with an Unsatisfactory Eval. due to the suspension.
We officers are livid over this order due to the fact that we are sworn to uphold the laws of the state, and both the state and US Constitutions. Essentially we would be insubordinate for upholding the law. All the while that our rights are being trampled upon.

 

[Sig 226 .40]

Court officers aren't looking for special treatment..As TEX put it..we are the OTHER class apparently. Because the rest of the state doesn't have to register rifles and shotguns. we are looking to be treated as fairly as the laws that we uphold will allow. Like every other citizen in this state.

 

[NavyLCDR]

I guess my point is that there are just some occupations and locations where persons can expect to have their firearms rights trampled - NYS, NYC, DC, Chicago, California, MD, members of the military, etc. and what is happening is nothing that cannot be considered to be expected in those locations or occupations. I just took your headline "Court Officers 2A rights being violated!!" to be kind of sensationalistic, like it was OMG! The end is here! type of deal. Just the way I read it is all.

I am not saying there should not be action against this, I am just saying what do you expect from NYS, just like what do you expect from California, what do you expect from serving in the military.... it's just the nature of the beast and it is something we all need to work to try to overturn and overcome.

 

[Autolycus]

One would have to ask where all the LEO support was for a national reciprocity bill and for concealed carry in some states such as Illinois. Or in cities such as NYC, Chicago, and may issue locales.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

These are the officers that ensure that our judges go home safe every night.

It does sound like the "We're special" card is being played here. I didn't know that court officers only protected the elite judges. I thought court officers had wider duties than just protecting judges.

Yesterday, NYS Court Officers got slapped in the face..our Chief, Jewel Williams, has demanded that we register ALL of our firearms. Including any and all rifles and shotguns. Our Unions have stepped up to stop this illegal order.

You didn't make clear whether registering all firearms meant department issue or personal weapons. If department issue, then there is no violation at all. If you meant personal weapons, your Chief has no authority over your personal life outside of the workplace and hence any demands made are invalid. Your rights aren't being violated just because a person without authority makes a demand.

If I am wrong and you are somehow under the guise of the Chief even when you are not on the clock, I would be curious to know how you got yourself in such a position.

Its totally inconcievable that the very entity that is in place to protect our rights and libertys is trying to infringe upon them!!

You are right. It is inconceivable. The Chief isn't a judge and hence isn't an entity in place to protect your rights and liberties. The Chief is simply part of the state government hierarchy that employs you.

 

[everallm]

Folks,

Irrespective of my personal opinions on the "special" status or otherwise of others, when it comes to 2A we would best all hang together or we will surely hang separately.

 

[ezypikns]

Rather than splitting hairs.......

maybe this gentleman's comment should be the one that guides us here.

Irrespective of my personal opinions on the "special" status or otherwise of others, when it comes to 2A we would best all hang together or we will surely hang separately.

 

[NavyLCDR]

Well, it would seem as if their union pretty much has this covered. Glad to see they are getting something out of their union dues.

 

[Speedo66]

What is the rationalization for the Judge's order? Did she express one? I have a difficult time undetstanding what she believes this is the solution for. If someone already has a registered handgun (and you all do since you are court officers), why does she want to know if you have a long gun? It isn't like you are going to conceal it and sneak it into court, after all. Any idea what the logic is behind this order? She worried you are going to get irritated with her and start sniping at her from 500 yards out?

Jewel Williams is not a judge, she's a political hack who was made chief, the fact that her uncle was a judge in the Appellate Division may have helped. She quickly went from giving tours of the courts to major, bypassing those with more seniority and much more ability and experience.

Welcome to NY politics.

Court officers, and court clerks in the NY Metro area, are NYS Peace Officers, and do not require a permit to carry concealed.

What long guns they choose to possess is their own business, and since NYS outside of NYC does not require anyone to register long arms, there is certainly no reason for them to have to do so. No long guns are used for work, these are all private weapons.

 

[Art Eatman]

This is wandering way too much. Sig, start a new thread about the outcome, the results, whichever way it works out.