Cowboy Action shooting: Highpower rifle?

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Ok I know barely anything about cowboy action shooting. I was wondering what type of rifle is used for highpower/long range shooting? I know that a lever action 45LC is used but this is hardly for anything long range. Would the rifle be something in 45/70? If so what would a cowboy action shooter get to compete with?:confused:
 
Cowboy action shooting uses pistol caliber rifles only. The most common cartridges used are .45 Colt, .38 special, .44-40, .44 Mag/special, etc. Targets are close, not long range. Typical rifle target distance is 10-15 yards.

Cowboy action clubs sometimes hold long range "side" matches. The rules vary from match to match. It's not uncommon to see "rifle" calibers allowed in the side matches, and they frequently have separate contests for lever action and single shot. In the lever action, rifle caliber side match, target range may be 100 or 200 yards or more. Typical rifles will be the Winchester 1876 and 1886, Marlin 1895 and 336, and similar. Cartridges are usually limited to those availble in the 19th century, like the 38-55, 45-70, etc.

Single shot side matches may be held at ranges up to 1,000 yards, using single shot rifles like the Sharps, Ballard, Winchester High Wall, Rolling Block, etc. There, the bigger cartridges like the 45-90, 45-110, etc. become more common.

I've been shooting cowboy action for almost five years now, though, and I've seen exactly one long range match in that time out of perhaps 100 matches I've been to.
 
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I've been to Mule Camp two or three times as an observer... I was able to watch at least one long range match. The predominant rifles were .45-70gov't single shot models... either originals or repros of Trapdoor, Sharps, and Rolling Block. However, if you look on the Hodgdon's Powder website, you'll find they have CAS Long Range Rifle data for .30-30 and some other chamberings aside from .45-70gov't. Granted .30-30 won't have the punch at 400+ that a .45-70 will, but it'll still tap the steel plate out further than that if you know they trajectory.
 
Thanks!

I am going to have to look in to this further. Seems to be a rather expensive hobby, just getting all the guns and gear together. However once that is done, the only expense should be AMMO, and LOTS OF IT! :)
 
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I am going to have to look in to this further. Seems to be a rather expensive hobby, just getting all the guns and gear together. However once that is done, the only expense should be AMMO, and LOTS OF IT!

It can indeed be expensive to get started. If you buy everything up front, you minimum kit you need is:

- two single action revolvers
- pistol caliber lever action rifle
- shotgun (side-by-side, or Winchester 87 or 97)
- leather (two holsters, belt, shotgun slide or belt)
- cowboy hat
- cowboy boots

That can set you back quite a bit of coin. My suggestion is not to buy anything at first. Instead, just go to a couple of local matches, walk up to the sign-in table, and introduce yourself as a newcomer interested in learning about the game. Wear blue jeans and cowboy boots, if you got 'em, as well as a long sleeve shirt, and of course bring your eye and ear protection.

The cowboy action crowd is very friendly. They'll almost certainly pair you up with a cowboy who will strap an extra rig on you and lend or share some firearms (assuming you already know your way around a gun, of course). They'll give you a brief introduction to the rules of the game, and go over safety procedures. Then they'll put you on the line and let you give it a whirl. I guaranty you'll have fun.

The benefits of this approach are that it keeps you from having to spend too much money up front, and it gives you some experience with the different types of firearms and leather being used. You may find that while the Ruger Vaqueros dominate the game, you really prefer the feel of Colts and clones, or of Remingtons, or Smith & Wessons, etc. You may find that you prefer short barrels, or long. You may decide that while the .45 Colt cartridge is cool and certainly "cowboy", you really prefer shooting the .38's. Those are expensive things to learn if you've already bought the wrong guns!

Once you do get into spending money, I recommend buying from pards in your local clubs. There are always guns for sale at matches, as cowboys make the changes I mentioned above. You can get some good deals on guns that have already been tuned up, and often you can try them before buying them. Then buy leather from a quality maker with holsters specific to your guns. Don't scrimp on the leather! Expect to spent $300-400 for a quality rig.

Buying used, you can get into the game for just under $1,000 in firearms. That'll buy you a couple of used Vaqueros or Italian Colt clones, a used Marlin 1894 or Rossi 92, and a decent shotgun (a Winchester or Norinco 1897 or an inexpensive coach gun). Spend another $300-400 for leather. Go cheap on clothes. Some inexpensive ropers ($60-100) make great cowboy action shooting footwear. You can make authentic looking cowboy pants out a cheap pair of blue jeans and a suspender button kit from Wal-Mart, for a total cost of under $20. Just cut off the labels and belt loops from the jeans, attach the suspender buttons, and you're done. An inexpensive Henley-type shirt and some suspenders completes it.

Then go buy a good progressive reloading press like the Dillon SDB or RL550B, as well as dies and components. You're going to be needing LOTS of ammo....
 
Around here, "long range" side matches are not real common. Often shot only at the big annual whoop-te-dos. When I was new in CAS, I bought suitable rifle caliber sidematch guns, single shot and lever. They were seldom used, I only started getting reasonable use out of the single shot when a friend took me to a BPCR match. I dunno what the lever action is good for, at least it is not eating anything and is not a burden until I find a use or a trade for it.
 
I've been shooting CAS for five years, and still don't have a "rifle caliber" lever gun. There's just no need for one. I had a 45-70 Rolling Block single shot for a while, but traded it off for a nice USGI M1 carbine because I almost never used it.
 
Can't really add much to what FNB said. Another expense you are going to end up with is a gun cart. After hitching rides on others carts you'll either improvise one and press it into service, build your own if you're handy and have access to tools, or bite the bullet and order one online. When you're carrying a rifle, shotgun as well as wearing two revolvers and carrying ammo to feed all of the above, a gun cart becomes a necessity.

Here are a couple of sites I bookmarked when I was first joining SASS and figuring out what to buy for my first battery of CAS guns:

This first one is really a collection of links to pages about CAS.
http://www.cowboyactionshooting.org/links4.html.html#Getting Started

Doc's page has some very nice pictures of his guns and the thought process he went through choosing them.
http://www.coon-n-crockett.org/cowboy.htm

Abilene is one of the pards from my club. It's really the best of the bunch and covers the whole span of CAS in easy to understand form.
http://users3.ev1.net/~dave42/shoot/shoot.htm

Tex
 
Father Knows Best,

Thanks for the info... Just need another Single Action, and the gear (not for me for my dad).... Got him the other stuff already.

Everything is in 45LC however, oh well if he wants 38 he knows where to go :)
 
so what do you guy's use for gun carts ???

several years ago, I made one for use at my wifes cousins black powder shoot... I took a bunch of rough cut lumber, that had be stored in a shed, & was terribly chewed up by rodents, & made a little wooden wagon, that I used oak wook dowels for axles, & cut 12" circles out of some 3" thick stock, then cut strips of galvanized tin to wrap around the wooden wheels, the front axle pivots along a chewed up 2 X 4, & the sides stick up about 1.5" from the bed, to hold MRS MAGNUM's dads old range boxes & wells fargo boxes, a piece of 1/2" manilla rope completes the cart... the wagon is screwed together, with all the screw heads hidden, & use of square headed nails, & leather straps completing the look... curious if that is similar to what you guy's use ??? I know my wifes dads cousins were all drooling over the wagon, the 1st year we brought it down...
 
I bought a kit online for around $90. I think it was called the "Simple Cart" or somesuch, and consisted of a lot of precut pine boards. It was a simple glue-and-screw affair, and you add your own wheels (bought at the local TSC). It's nothing fancy, but its well made (the upper and lower boxes are nicely dovetailed) and it works. I've seen other pards use things as simple as a hand truck with a milk crate bolted to the bottom and bungie cords to keep the long arms upright.
 
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