coyote 223 twist for 55gr

[firstg19]

Hi all, I am looking at 223 remington 700 or savage 12 for coyotes and the twist information is driving me crazy. This will also be used as a range gun ( I think the max range length is 100 yards). I would say what i really want to know, is which of these guns with their twists will shoot a 55 grain bullet the most accurate.

remington 700--- 1 in 12
savage 12 ----- 1 in 9

 

[Onmilo]

Welcome to THR.
The fact is both those twist rates will shoot 55 grain bullets accurately.

The 1-12" will limit you shooting nothing heavier than 55 grain and you will most likely see your best results with 50-53 grain bullet weights in this twist rate.

The 1-9" will be more versatile than the 1-12" and will allow you to shoot bullet weights of 52-64 grain with acceptable accuracy.

Whether one of those rifles will shoot 55 grain bullets specifically better than the other would be nothing more than speculation.

 

[firstg19]

thanks for the reply, and one other thing.....i keep reading that people say buy a savage and save some money, but everywhere i look online shows them all pretty much at the same prices....is that normal? or should i be looking at local cabelas/basspros?

 

[Birdhunter1]

Look local, MSRP's on websites are just that, usually I find that the MSRP's are about $100-150 higher than what I can get it for.

Savage, Remington and Tikka are all good quality rifles in the same price range with remington being the highest.

 

[dagger dog]

The benchrest crowds trys to shoot the ultimate twist for particular weight, length bullet, they don't like to over spin a bullet and says there is accuracy degradation, in doing such.

In our world (the 100 yd one) the 1-9 twist Savage will shoot the 55 gr boat tails or flat base bullets just as accurate as the 1-12 Remington and vice versa.

Latley there have been bullets developed in the 50 gr weights that are longer than the normal 55 gr designs, and they require twists in the 1-10 range.It is the length of the bullet that dictates the twist needed to stabilize the bullet, and it usually renders the rule of thumb the longer the bullet the heavier it tends to be, but this does not always hold true.

Much of your coyote hunting is done at greater ranges than 100yds unless your hunting the hardwood forests of the east, southeast.

If you are hunting open country many of the shots will be well over the 100 yd mark and you may want to load sometyhing in the longer and heavier bullets in the 60-70 gr for better performance.

If so I would go with the faster twist. The reason behind the Savages faster twist is, they want the rifle to shoot most weight (length) bullets well, and the 1-9 twist will stabilize bullets into the VLD (very low drag) designs up too and around 70gr.

 

[Onmilo]

Again, I can't really give you a direct answer.
Price wise both rifles are comparable in the level of rifle you intend to purchase, it is normal.
I don't know who 'everybody' is and I like Savage rifles with the big exception of the newer Accu-Triggers, those are the one that look something like an all metal Glock trigger assembly.

I have replaced numbers of these assemblies with Rifle Basix trigger assemblies.

Then again I also really like Remington rifles though it has been my experience that Remingtons are a real crap shoot as to the accuracy potential of the individual rifle.
Some group like Match guns right from the box and some pattern like shotguns and take some work to get them up to potential.

Savage rifles are always a bit rougher in fit and finish than Remington rifles, even cheaper Big Box variations of the Remington rifles are better finished.

Then again almost every Savage rifle I know of shoots extremely well right from the box.
They are crude, but they do shoot well.

 

[YodaVader]

My 1 in 9" Remington 700 LTR have has shown some of its best accuracy firing 55 grain bullets. Have gone as heavy as 69 grains with excellent accuracy. My 1 in 9" twist Savage 12BVSS also has shot well with 55s.

My 1 in 12" twist 700 Varmint has given excellent results with 52 grain bullets. Last time out I fired a few rounds with the 55 grain load which worked well in the faster twist barrels and the results looked good. Hopefully this weekend I will be able to try out some more 55 grain loads.

If you want a faster twist .223 in a Remington you could also consider the 700 SPS Tactical which has the 1 in 9" twist.

 

[04JRB]

as a benchmark for price, I paid $400 for my savage 12fv. I shoot sierra 69 BTHP match kings with good results (last range trip was a .5 5 shot group with only 3 holes @ 100 yds) and it has been my most accurate handload yet. I also shoot 55 grain V-Max as well, also exellent in accuracy but just slightly larger groups @ 100yds (.25-.5 inches larger). I know the rifle is probably more capable than I am of smaller groups, but Im still learning how to be patient and calm while shooting for small groups.

 

[Savage Shooter]

my 12fv is a great shooter but only buy one if you don't want to carry it very long mine tips the scales at 10lbs with my scope on it but it shoots like a dream better than a remme for the $. ain't she a beauty

 

[SimpleIsGood229]

To answer your question, I'd say go with the 1-9" Savage. 1-12" is simply too slow for load flexibility.


Purely from the hunting side, I think a .243 Win. would also be an excellent choice. It could even double as a deer/antelope gun. Load it with +/- 70 gr. loads for the coyotes, then load up some 100's for deer. .243 is also superior to the .223 as a long range round.

However, .243 is not a good plinking round due to high cost (no real plinker loads available).

 

[firstg19]

Thanks for all your answers, does anyone know if i would be able to shoot 40 grain bullets in a 1-9 twist, or is that only possible with a 1-12 twist?

 

[firstg19]

The only reason i ask about the 40 grain is that I was under the impression that a lighter grain bullet will do less pelt damage. I would say most of my shots will be around 50 yards, with the possiblity of 200 or so. I have two places to hunt- one in the woods, another in a field.

 

[rcmodel]

40 grain bullets will shoot just fine in a 1/9 barrel.

You can under-stabilize a heavy / long bullet, but it's almost impossible to over-stabilize a light / short one.

rcmodel

 

[rangerruck]

I have a cz 527 carbine, it is maybe the finest , most accurate rifle I have ever fired. and yet, if i had known about rifle twist when I bought it, I doubt i would have. It has a 1/12 twist, and my limit is about 55 grains, there are a few brands of 60 and 62 grainers it will shoot moa at 100 yds, but after that, and anything heavier, and it begins to look like shotgun pattern.
Otherwise , i would go with 1/9 twist.

 

[Tarvis]

I recommend a 700 with a 1-9 twist . Savages are great and all, but I think I still prefer the Remmy with everything in consideration.

As far as the cost goes, the 700 SPS line is right there with the low end savages, and the model 12 LRPV is above the upper end 700s.

 

[Seafarer12]

Thanks for all your answers, does anyone know if i would be able to shoot 40 grain bullets in a 1-9 twist, or is that only possible with a 1-12 twist?

It will work just fine. The 223 isn't fast enough to start dusting bullets. Maybe a 22-250 Ackley with a 1-9 shooting a 40 grainer would dust it but not a 223.

 

[Eb1]

1/9 for all your basic .223 needs. anything over 69 grains shoot a larger rifle.

 

[dagger dog]

firstg19,

Those 40 grns just make sure they are of the newer designs with thicker jackets made to with stand the extra spin. There are still some of the older designed bullets out there with very thin jackets that will come apart when over spinned, but most of the newer VMAX BLITZ KING NOSLER ballistic tips will hold up to the 1-9 twist, the older SPEER super explosive had very thin jackets and
" won't take the strain" as Scottie would tell Kirk!

 

[firstg19]

alright, so i went into cabelas after work today, and I think between you guys and the salesman, I am stuck on a 1-9" twist. He was showing me one of the weather warriors, which felt very light. I think im pretty much sold on gettting a savage now, does anyone have any opinions on which one and in particular a weather warrior. I definately liked how light it was, but I'm not sure how it will hold up with target shooting.

 

[firstg19]

I'm pretty sure the model im looking at is here: http://www.savagearms.com/16fhss.htm. Anyone have any experience with this particular rifle. Thanks in advance

 

[firstg19]

actually, I'm gonna start a new thread for this...it will be called "savage weather warrior" if anyone is interested in commenting on it. Thanks for all your replys