Criminals' right to arms

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If someone has served his time, he should get all of his rights back.

People that can't be trusted in society shouldn't be there -- and I don't want to be paying for their room and board, either. Therefore, if they are not "reparable," they need to be "recalled to the Manufacturer."

Since no one can seem to agree what a felony is anymore, why not just consolidate: Let's just make all crimes felonies (it's happening slowly anyway), and have as many victims walking around as we can. If they don't like being a victim and they illegally buy a gun -- OOPS! They're a criminal again!

Can anyone see the flaw with this kind of system? It's setting people up to fail!

When you parole people out of jail -- assuming they're going to behave this time -- if they can't use the only available effective tool for defense, and they can't participate in the direction of their community/state/nation, then their life is meaningless! They may as well be dead, yet we let them suffer with a sub-human existence. The Bill of Rights protects against cruel and unusual punishment, and this is the perfect definition of such.

Wes
 
It will be a very cold day in hell before I go around campaigning for felons to be given firearms.
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You're missing the whole point ...

Of course there are people who we would rather not see have firearms. Some are felons, some have a mental illness history, and some are just plain scary, even though their records are "clean".

So let's make a law, fine! Should work just about as well as the laws prohibiting possession and use of marijuana and cocaine, right? Ooops!

Felon: "I'm broke and need a fix, so I'll just rob a store. Wait a minute, if I use a gun, that would be against the law, so I guess I won't rob the store after all." :rolleyes:

In the meantime, we have some "reasonable" gun control (knowing all the while that gun control does not work). So ....

1) Every new gun you buy is registered - all the ATF has to do is visit the gun store(s) and copy down your name and the make and s/n. Should come in handy when the next round of "reasonable restrictions" is enacted.

2) I drive a 100 miles round trip to pickup a gun on layaway, and find that NICS is down so I can't pick it up that day. :fire: (this happened a couple years ago right before Xmas)

3) I can't buy a $150 rifle and have it shipped to my door. Instead I have to pay another $25 to $50 to have it transferred through an FFL, if I can find one that even wants to do it. (plus the 50 or 100 mile round trip)


Believe it or not, all of this started in 1968. Somehow, the country survived before that.
 
No more silly than the idea that we should all have the right to own nukes, or that society can't prohibit violent felons or the mentally ill from owning firearms, or that we can stick our heads in the sand and the whole threat of terrorism will just go away, or that completely open borders will actually be a good thing, or that a nation can actually exist without a form of government in the absence of tyranny.
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Not having fire arms in prison goes along with not owning a hack saw in prison, or not having the ability to leave. You loose a lot of rights by being in government custody, not just firearms.

Our borders have never been closed. From long before America was founded until now, and likely the distant future. Any bad guys can walk right in.

Responding to your other points would send us way off topic, so I guess in repsonse to the "silly ideas" see the other threads.
 
Believe it or not, all of this started in 1968. Somehow, the country survived before that.
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No, you only THINK it did. Actually, blood flowed continually through the streets. :rolleyes:

Wes
 
Well WT, aren't you just a man of law and order? :rolleyes:

Bar "felons" and everyone around them from owning firearms. Makes about as much sense as the drivel spewed out by the Violence Policy Center on a regular basis.

Is it any wonder our prisons are this overcrowded.
 
For what it's worth, I'd make a clear distinction between someone convicted of just any felony and one who is likely to be an ongoing danger to society.

As has been pointed out, there seems to be a trend to make almost everything a felony.
If it's OK now to take someone's RKBA from them for intentionally getting oil on the ground, then what if you have a leaking oil pan gasket?
What if you KNOW it leaks and still don't fix it?
See where this is going?
Sooner or later we'll all end up felons...most likely armed anyway, just like the rest are now.
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cordex - if the school teacher was prosecuted and convicted of a felony and served more than a year in prison, in my eyes and the law, he is a felon. He should not be allowed to possess firearms, ever.
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That's what I was afraid of. To you "felon" means evil, and it doesn't matter what innocent or harmless thing actually constituted the felony in question. You cannot see the difference between a convicted serial killer and a convicted "had an extra bit of metal on my rifle" violator.
I have to question the veracity of the teacher. I've heard some pretty good stories in my time.
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Perhaps I was unclear. The teacher whose story I based this on was never arrested for anything. He was, however, shipped the wrong upper receiver for his gun. Had he mounted it, he'd have been in trouble. They might've even been able to "get him" for constructive possession just because he had both (until he returned the upper, of course). Either way, he didn't get caught.
 
It looks like a lot of people here are in favor of restricting firearms. As long as you are not in the restricted group it is ok? Who do you think should make that decision?

I think if someone is a threat to society he should be kept in jail or executed. If he is not a threat when he is released he should have all of his rights reinstated.

A well regulated militia,being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Except if they have been convicted of a felony crime, or except if they have been arrested for domestic violence (no conviction needed for this one), or except if they have a restraining order against them, or except if they do not bear arms that are concealed.

I think we all need to consider the line we draw in the sand, so when the line moves we can stay on the side of it we want to be on. MY LINE is, if someone wants a gun he should be able to go buy it and carry it in any manner he likes.
 
Once a person convicted of a felony has completely "paid his debt to society" (no longer in prison, on parole/probation, and all fines/community service paid), then he should have the same rights & priveledges as anyone else.

If they're still a danger to society, keep them locked away---preferably in a cheap coffin under six feet of dirt...:evil:
 
I think he means that parole boards would be willing to keep them in prison longer knowing they would be eligible to own firearms once on the streets. However, this ignores the pressure that parole boards face to kick felons out early to ease overcrowding concerns. I don't think it would make a bit of difference.
 
I know two felons personally... neither can own firearms.

One, drinks too much and acts pretty stupid. Stole a car once at a party (found the keys) and joyrided around with a buddy. Didn't serve any real prison time (just county jail) but AFAIK he can't own any firearms. He also has no desire to.

The other, got into a some trouble in his younger years. He's 45 now. Crime? Got caught with a pistol in his car. It's more than 20 years later, he knows it was stupid, and doesn't do stuff that would get him pulled over anymore.

Here's the point: Neither own firearms because they know it's illegal. If they had their rights restored (and the latter is going to work on this) they would probably purchase arms.

Do you really think the career criminal is going to NOT own firearms? Heck no. The above two learned their lesson... they're taking a safer path now. The career criminal, like my coke dealing cousin, will always own arms. Hell, that SOB shot two people this last summer. He had already spent time in a federal prison, couldn't own a firearm, but his mother illegally procured one FOR HIM!

The really bad guys have guns.

The really good guys have guns.

Lets just let the guys in the middle join in, legally.
 
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