Crossbreed issue with 1911

[gibson_es]

on my crossbreed, when actually carried, the beavertail on my holster isn't covered. the firearm seems to shift back. the beavertail causes quite a bit of discomfort when it doesn't have that leather piece behind it. i have tried a non combat cut, and i cant get a good grip without it.

has anyone else had this issue? if so, did you find a remedy?

Crossbreed has made it clear my only option is to keep the holster, or exchange it for a quick clip. (despite being told over the phone that it would definitely cover the beavertail even with the combat cut) I don't like single clip holsters. I have tried a number of them in the past. so that's not an option for me.

Thanks for any help or advise!

p.s. the photos were taken with the holster at two different positions. showing that it doesn't seem to be do to its location on my body.

 

[JTQ]

I have no first hand Crossbreed experience, but it looks like the kydex pouch is either misplaced or the leather backer is miscut.

However, I'll admit, in general, I'm an anti-sweat shield guy. If you haven't noticed, neither Milt Sparks or Mitch Rosen offer sweat shields on any of their OWB holsters, and the standard Summer Special and most of Rosen's IWB holsters come without a sweat shield. Even on their IWB holsters with sweat shields, they end at the back of the slide and don't cover the hammer and grip safety.

I can't tell what clock position picture #2 is, but #1 looks like it's at around 3:00 (9:00 for lefty). I don't know if you would make a difference for comfort, but I suspect these holsters are typically designed for carry around 4:00 (8:00 lefty).

 

[gibson_es]

my most comfortable carry position, for any of my carry guns, is just forward of 3 o clock (lefty version), maybe 2:30-ish max.

however, the second photo, is at around 4:30 (lefty version). when i emailed them, they told me it was because i carry at 2:30 and its made for 4:30. so I tried were they said it was made for. still does it.

 

[guyfromohio]

This my full size Colt in the CB Supertuck. My VBOB sits nearly the same with plenty of leather. I'd send it back. I own dozens of CBs and I absolutely love them!

 

[gibson_es]

thats what I am trying to get them to let me do.
at first i was toldby Carlie my only options were to keep the holster, or trade it in for the quick clip. I couldnt get her to move on that at all.

I called and spoke to a different person, Tom, and he told me he could add the option of sending it in and getting one with no combat cut. I specifically asked about getting one with the cut, but having the top part just a little wider. he is suppose to look into it and email me to let me know.

we will see.... I was looking for something I could do myself that might help. because with the options given, I would choose to keep the current holster. I don't like single clip holsters, and the standard cut is too hard for me to get a consistent, quick, grip.

I don't own Dozens. but I do own a few CB holsters. there all fine, but non are made for guns with hammers and beavertails and such.

 

[guyfromohio]

I'd take the standard cut option, take a pen to trace your gun, and then cut it to your liking. I've done that on all of mine that I had before I discovered that I prefer the combat cut. I use tin snips to trim.



Photo is of my PPS holster that I trimmed myself. Couldn't be more comfy!

 

[Spats McGee]

I agree with the others who said that is either a misplaced shell, or wrongly cut leather. A Google image search on "1911 in a Crossbreed Supertuck" brings up a bunch of images, none of which have pistols (ill-)fitting like yours. If you don't get a remedy from the folks you're talking to, move up the chain if you can.

 

[gibson_es]

guyfromohio, Funny you say that.


I tried it myself on the Crossbreed "seconds" holster I purchased before this holster. I made the same Mistake they did... I cut too much. I thought letting them do it would be the better choice.... you see how that's working for me. lol.


here is a photo of the two next two each other, the other photo is the gun in the new holster. it looks fine when its not in the waist band, even if you wiggle it, it stays covered... until its in the waistband.

 

[PJSprog]

it looks fine when its not in the waist band, even if you wiggle it, it stays covered... until its in the waistband.

Well, I think therein lies your problem. Is it supposed to "wiggle" in that form-fitted kydex? I suspect your gun is being moved off-axis in your waistband.

 

[JTQ]

I'll give them some benefit of the doubt. When not on your body, your gun rides in the correct position in that holster. Those wide footprint holsters really need a wide flat space on you body to work properly. That's why they recommend the 4:30 position. Wearing at 2:30 is causing the holster to wrap around your hip, which is not optimal. I suspect that is most of your problem.

I don't know your body shape, but I'd suspect most folks are sort of oval shaped, with the points at 3:00 and 9:00. Trying to wrap a wide footprint holster around the point of your body is asking a lot of those style holsters. Usually the problem manifests itself by making the draw difficult, though apparently it is causing some shifting of the gun in the holster.

For wear forward of the hip, usually you'd look for a holster with a straight drop or muzzle forward cant, and a smaller footprint, typically with the loops or clip on the body of the holster.

High Noon and Horseshoe Leather are two makers that produce such holsters and both have very tall sweat shields if that is what you are looking for.

High Noon "Public Secret" (they have a 22% off sale right now, promo code HNH22) http://www.highnoonholsters.com/store/extreme-duty-holsters-iwb-holsters/public-secret-w-straps/

Horseshoe Leather 62L http://www.holsters.org/iwb-holsters.htm

 

[guyfromohio]

I just noticed that all of your holsters have been built backwards! That must be it....

 

[Spats McGee]

JTQ's got a point. Try moving it back to about 7:00 (since you appear to be left-handed) and see what that does for the fit. I wear mine at about 4:30, and while my CBST doesn't fit a 1911, I don't have a problem with the gun sneaking up out of the kydex shell.

 

[gibson_es]

thanks guys, but you may have missed were I state the second photo is at the the lefty 4:30. its an issue no matter were its carried. i dont think the actual position was stated in the original post, so it was easy to miss.


on another note. they got back to me. there only willing to replace it with one that has no combat cut, and it will have no warranty. part of the appeal of the CB to me is the Lifetime warranty. so this, so far, is a no go...

 

[Spats McGee]

Yep. I missed that. Sorry.

I don't image that a combat cut would be that hard to do yourself, do you?

 

[gibson_es]

I didn't until I attempted and made the same mistake that Crossbreed did, and cut too much. you can see my two holsters above. the one they cut, and the one I cut.

it seems easy, but one mistake, and your $100 holster is done for. I don't think its hard for them to cut it with a wider piece at the top. but so far it seems too much to ask.

I specifically asked them if this would be an issue on the phone. I was assured it wasn't. now there offering different holsters, holster with no warranty... if i wanted a holster with no warranty, I would have just ordered another "seconds" holster

 

[JTQ]

thanks guys, but you may have missed were I state the second photo is at the the lefty 4:30. its an issue no matter were its carried. i dont think the actual position was stated in the original post, so it was easy to miss.

I didn't miss it, you posted that in your second post, prompted by my question in my first post.

My point is, that holster just may not be for you. I don't think it is a holster problem. As your picture shows, off your body, the cut of the holster is proper. Something happens when you put it on your body. I don't see how Crossbreed could anticipate this problem. It would seem, from their end, the only option for proper function with one of their holsters, on you, would be the non-combat cut model.

As an example of not all holsters are for everybody is this picture of a guy with a Raven Concealment Systems Phantom holster worn IWB. I always chuckle a little when I see this picture since it is an example of somebody trying to get a holster to do something it wasn't designed to do.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?67458-Raven-Concealment

The RCS Phantom is a great holster. I think it is better suited as an OWB holster, but it works fine IWB. Unfortunately for the guy in the link, he has a 30" waist and is trying to wear a wide footprint holster at 9:00. He could probably get away with it at 4:00 to 4:30, but if he weighed 240 lbs with a 40" waist, he could probably wear it anywhere.

I still think if you like 2:30 carry, you'd be better off with a different design.

 

[JTQ]

I just noticed you're in Tampa. High Noon is just north of you in Holiday, FL (they must have moved recent, I thought they were in Tarpon Springs) if you want to keep your money local.

 

[JTQ]

Andrews Custom Leather's MacDaniel II also runs a taller sweat shield. They are up in Alachua, FL.

http://www.andrewsleather.com/macdaniel2.htm

 

[gibson_es]

JTQ,

Thanks for all the info.

I spoke to lindsey, she is sending one with a warranty. Which works for me. It will not be cut she said what may be happening is after I wear it, it's lossening up and the "wiggle" or "slop" becomes more prevalent. Sure muff. I took the holster off. And now I can easily move the firearm were it isn't covered. We're I could not before.

I am going to were it a few weeks. Let it break in a little. Then cut it. The kydex and the clips will still be covered under warranty.

As for the local guys, I will have to check those guys out. I usually use Bratta holsters when I get local. He didn't have what I wanted this time, but my glock 26 rides one of his "versa tuck" holsters when not in my MTAC

As for trying other designs. I have tried many holsters that were supposed to be for my style of carry. I didn't like any of them. Most were single clip and the cant would change, sometimes the entire position of the gum on my belt, would change, over the coarse of the day. The style holsters like the supertuck, And the mtac, keep it were I want it. Minus a slight wobble in the crossbreed.

The MTAC from comptac is my favorite for a lot of my guns. But they don't cover the beavertail on a 1911.

My XD had spent many hours in a crossbreed supertuck. At the 2:30 left position.

Anyway, once I spoke to the right person at crossbreed, we were able to come to a happy medium.

 

[entropy]

I've found my guns are more comfortable on my waist since losing some weight. Just sayin....

 

[gibson_es]

Gee, wish I would have thought if that. You mean. Weight can be lost? Why didn't anyone ever tell me sooner?

 

[herrwalther]

Chuck the Crossbreed and get a White Hat holster. They use a larger leather flap to separate owner and firearm.

 

[CPO15]

Please do not get the Quick Clip; the single clip will not support the weight of your gun, the holster sink below the belt line and you will not be happy.