cassandrasdaddy
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for what its worth i think a rancher/farmer catches wolves killing his stock should be able to shoot it right there. its the "kill em all folks that need to chill
The student had nothing to due with the previous incident. It was his two friends/co workers. They reported the wolf was agressive and they were trying to fend it off.SHvar said:The student was working at a mine in Canada, the student was videotaped by his friend the day before harassing, swinging a stick at habituated wolves, and laughing at them. They were habituated by improper trash disposal methods and irresponsible miners and students feeding them.
SHvar said:Irresponsible livestock husbandry causes a few livestock kills every year with wolves. By researching this subject wolves kill very few livestock animals a year, the majority are from disease, accidents, predation from coyotes not kept in check by wolves, and from mans best friend, the dog running lose, or from coydogs and feral dogs which are decended from herding dogs and farm/ranch dogs.
http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?ID=2005122274Idaho Mountain Express said:[Written 8/22/08]: 70 percent increase in statewide livestock losses compared to last year, he said. And in July and August alone, the number of livestock losses has nearly tripled compared to the same time last year.
There have been attacks on humans inside US territory. I will say that the wolves obviously cant distinguish US territory from Canadian territory, so its easy for you to argue about the attacks on US soil(numerous attacks in Canadian territory, even recently, including the 2 incidents before carnegie was killed). The last attack on US soil was in Iowa in 1910(5 dead wolves found at his campsite with an ampty repeating rifle in the middle next to human remain). remember though that the timberwolf was damn near exterminated in the 40's, so you can say "that was almost 100 years ago". There are numerous documented attacks on humans in the 1800's into the 1900's.SHvar said:In the US there has never been one verifiable case of a wolf attacking or killing a human, with the exception of a few rare cases of rabid wolves.
Wrong. Like I said in another thread, Montana and Idaho had great management plans. Idaho wanted to keep atleast 520 wolves which was 5 times the amount the US fish and wildlife originally wanted in Idaho and far more than most hunters/sportman/rancher/livestock owners wanted. http://www.idahostatesman.com/1300/story/586396.htmlSHvar said:Dont listen to rumors, or lies spread to rally support for the cause of killing off a long needed integral part of our countries ecosystem. Like any wild animal, they can be properly managed if done responsibly, so far no responsible plan has been cooked up to manage them properly among the states where they were reintroduced.
SHvar said:Alaska does have alot of wolf hunting, but keep in mind that they also have 50-100 times as many wolves as the entire lower 48 states combined. They also have traditional wolf hunting practices that were set down by Inuit elders who have lived alongside wolves peacefully for thousands of years. Maybe we should learn from those who have lived with them the longest.
I support hunting as long as it is done legally, and within a well researched and sound plan that benefits our wildlife, not the beef industry or Butch otter.
SHvar said:By the way, I read an article about what was blamed as a wolf attack on a pet in Illinois, the assumption was made because the footprint was 4.5x3.5 inches. Heres a few reference photos of the size of my husky and his enormous snowshoe footprints (4.25x3.5 inches), yet he is almost half the size and weight of an average male gray wolf.
12. How big is a gray wolf's track?
The size of a wolf's track is dependent on the age and size of the wolf, as well as the substrate the track was made in. A good size estimate for a gray wolf's track size is 4 1/2 inches long by 3 1/2 inches wide. In comparison, a coyote's track will be closer to 2 1/2 inches long by 1 1/2 inches wide. Only a few breeds of dogs leave tracks longer than 4 inches (Great Danes, St. Bernards, and some bloodhounds).
Beware of VHD's with German bloodlines! They sound cool, but the dogs have some issues that aren't compatible with American expectations, at least in populated areas.
There are many stories of German breeders who participated in events that tested the aggression factor of their dogs. These trialers dug a hole, covered it with planks, and further covered it with dirt. An assistant released a Badger from its cage into this hole. Each handler brought his dog to this spot to test the dog’s ferocity and instinct to kill. It was not a matter of whether the dog could dispatch the Badger, but how many seconds it took to kill it. Two of the highly toted breeds were the Jadgterrier and the Drahthaar. Some Drahthaar breeders believe that a dog that has a high “instinct to kill” will never refuse a command; no matter how difficult. The aggression test is a part of the VDD testing.
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In America, when a person owns a dog, he has a personal responsibility towards his neighbors, other people’s pets, and members of their family. To breed and own Wirehairs that have an excessive aggressive instinct is a liability. Nothing will spoil a day in the field faster than when a hunter brings along a dog that wishes to fight other dogs. Owners of such unruly and undisciplined animals cannot hunt them with others and they should not bring them to public areas. This trait does not produce superior or more reliable hunters. Breeders that encourage such breeding practices produce menaces to society.
The aggression test is still performed on all German dogs owned by members of the VDD. It is a measure of the "instinct to kill". This instinct can be triggered in pups as early as 4 weeks of age. I have seen litters of pups, which must be separated from each other because the "instinct to kill" was too great.