Cslinger's DU rant

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I typically lurk here just to see what is being said and get a feeling for your opinions and what not, know your enemy and all that as I am a republican/conservative at heart. That being said I don't post here to push my agenda, disagree, fight, troll or do anything that would take away from your discussions. No flame wars from me.

Anyway I just felt I needed to post regarding this poor person's encounter.

I just wanted to say that I am sooooo sorry that you had to experience what you did and I hope that it doesn't haunt you forever. Bad things happen sometimes and there is nothing we can do about them.

I am a gun owner and extremely pro gun pro self defense but before you even think about carrying a firearm you need to mentally prepare yourself for the responsibility involved. You need training, practice and the will to use it as a self defense item. You need to know the laws and most of all you need to know yourself. Don't make a rash decision to run out and buy a gun or change your belief's based on the anger, fear and other emotions you are feeling. In the long run you may do more harm than good.

All that being said if you want some advice on how to go about it feel free to email me or drop by www.thehighroad.org The people over there are generally friendly and won't bite. They will also give you so much information and advice you will have reading to put you to sleep for a long time.

My suggestion is you try doing some shooting for fun first and see if it is something you want to work up to in terms of a defensive weapon. Remember most of us shoot and own weapons for fun and pleasure primarily. We do carry for defense or will defend our homes but more likely than not we shoot and own guns for the pleasure of it.

I believe gun rights should be absolute. You have been or are a MMM member. Two sides of the coin. Just take the time to make an informed decision before letting everything you believe in fall to the wayside. Just because we don't agree on firearms and self defense etc. doesn't mean that I don't respect your beliefs and I don't think anybody should make drastic belief changes due to fear, anger or any other emotion. We would love to have you come over to "our side" and any one of us would gladly offer support, just take things slowly.

As for whether a gun would have helped. I don't know, I wasn't there. If you had a gun pressed into your ribs there isn't much you could of done, armed or not. The most important thing we as gun owners learn is situational awareness and that may have been just as valuable.

Once again please don't take this as a crazy gun nut insensitive republican using this situation to spout political/social agenda as that is not my intent. My heart just went out to you and only wanted to offer some support and insight.

You will not find me trolling your boards and trying to corrupt any of your discussions as I don't think that would be beneficial to anybody involved.

Please take care and as I said don't be afraid to come visit www.thehighroad.org, I promise we won't bite. We might have a few crazy members but doesn't every family.

Thanks for the chance to post. I hope I have not ruffled too many feathers here.

Chris
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doesn't mean that I don't respect your beliefs
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Overall, very well written. But I would have to disagree with this statement. I would say that I respect her RIGHT to her beliefs, but the philosophy of the antis is not something I can respect in any way.
 
Geesh.. I just wasted a good 15 minutes of my life energy hours reading lots of poor grammar and garbled ramblings over there.

Quite frankly I would think spending any time trying to convince people that are not even interested in listening to your POV is a big waste of time.
Time this "lunatic Randite" could spend at the range :)
 
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I love the claims of "revisionist history" and such about the NRA about the 2nd being an individual right. LOL, now if that isn't funny I don't know what is. Every single piece of the original founders writings I've ever seen has been extremely pro-individual right... Where's the revision going on here? Where are the "un-revised" statements that support some half-assed collective reading of the 2nd Amendment? There aren't any... What about the several state constitutions ratified right around the same time that actually say individual in them? Have those been revised by the dastardly NRA?

Opposite of what these self proclaimed "intellectuals" like to claim, the 2nd Amendment is pretty damn clear. To then try to convince everyone that the individual rights argument is somehow revisionist and completely unreasonable, while they are spreading some thrown together argument, totally stretching any half-truth they can to support collective rights, is just plain laughable. It's one of the most contrived arguments I've heard in a long time. You know you're dealing with 100% grade-A idiots if they can't read the 2nd Amendment without deciding it's a Militia-only right.

Left- or right-wing, I've never seen a site filled with so many ninnies and kooks in my time online. Of course I don't go around surfing Nazi or similar sites either, so perhaps put up against the likes of that DU looks mainstream, LOL. It's ridiculous...
 
At first i was thinking, "Wait, du.com? depleted uranium? must be some sort of artillery site....." (shows where *my* mind is.)

Then, "Wow, what an incredible number of pop-ups, that spawn in unending fashion."

Then, "Wow, the pop-ups are more coherent than, and sometimes preferable to, the writing here."

This is a guess on my part, but I will bet that a lot of poser...er, posters over there whine and moan about how "undemocratic" the Ca recall is. Anyone have the patients to check this for me? (How can it be undemocratic: voters equal to half the number of votes that Davis receivedin the last election signed a petition to dump him? This is direct democracy in action! Too bad we can't do the same to the state legislature, as well.)
I did find the one from someone who was complaining about how Al Sharpton and Gary Coleman were dismissed by some talk-show as not being genuine canidates. Revealing, but not exactly relevant.


KC
 
Man...many of those DU folks sure have a lot of hate built up.

It would be nice if they had the wisdom to direct it toward their real enemies, but I guess they only have enough education to consider those of us who believe in the U.S. constitution their enemy.:banghead:

Reading that DU site is like watching a flock of seagulls fight over a garbage pile. It's semi-interesting, loud, ugly and it doesn't really affect you until one swoops over and s***s on you (sorry moderators -- self-edited, but I needed that for the analogy).

My hats off to those of you who attempt to go in and try to point out to them that there's better food out there than someone else's garbage.
 
Why are you guys posting over there anyway?


1. you will not change their minds.


2. your very presence over there is trolling.

3. by starting fights, you're giving us a bad name.


4. we're not a political site, except for the RKBA.
 
I would suggest taking a very careful look around before posting on DU.

Those people are nuts. And not the "my old crazy uncle joe" kinda nuts but the "We never went to the moon" and "The Republicans staged 9-11 to win support" kinda nuts.

Only on DU are there people still willing to give communism/socialism another try because "Hey, it might work this time." :rolleyes:

You don't wanna bother them with your views or your concerns about your freedom. They will stick their fingers in their ears and scream "Gore is my president" over and over. You'd be better off trying to teach your dog calculus then trying to get them to consider your views.

They certainly bear watching as their "peaceful protests" of groups like the WTO and the Earth First guys do more actual damage than all of the Klan rallies and skinhead groups combined.
 
I don't normally post over there and wasn't trying to start anything. There was a distraught woman who got mugged and was thinking about getting a gun.

1)The lady was distraught, lending a helping offer is the right thing to do.
2)The lady is comtemplating firearm ownership, do you want her talking to those on DU about it.
3)I wasn't trolling, only offering a helping hand in case she wanted to learn more about firearms.

If you can bring just one person into a belief of RKBA and create just one more gun owner then you will have done more for RKBA then many years worth of NRA dues.

I don't plan on hanging out there, lord they give me a headache too.

Don't give up on everybody just because they fit into a broad group. Everybody can change and the right thing to do is offer a helping hand when somebody is down. That is the high road after all.

Geez, I don't know what's wrong with me today, I am just not feeling as cynical as usual. I will be better tomorrow, I promise.

Chris
 
cslinger, wasn't trying to give you a hard time. Just wanted to give the crew a heads up before they go over there trying to be a nice guy.

This forum is full of well intentioned people who would love nothing more than to politely explain their positions to those who just might not understand.
 
You'd be better off trying to teach your dog calculus then trying to get them to consider your views.
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My cat just made a major breakthrough.. I believe the formula he discovered can actually be used to identify pricing patterns in the stock market.
Oh did I mention his name is Fibonacci :p
 
No offense taken.

Believe me people as a rule drive me mad and I really do think their are many lost causes, but deep down I really think all it takes is cracking one tough nut now and then to make it worthwhile.

Besides sometimes some things are worth doing just because some things are worth doing. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hey call it my good deed for the month. I've met my quota so as far as everybody else is concered.......:cuss: 'Em.

Just kidding.:D
 
Notice how Benchley's arguments were nothing more than ad hominem attacks and straw men? Most of his posts were spent deriding and sneering at gun owners and the "powerful gun industry." It boggles my mind to think that this guy probably actually believes that tripe he spews.
 
Remember, if you convert a Democrat to a RKBA position, you get double points. ;)

OTOH, if arguing with willfully ignorant anti-self-defense bigots is not your bag, and it just makes you angry, then by all means, don't go there. Leave that battleground for the rest of us.

You have only so much energy to devote. Only you know what you can do best to advance freedom in this world. Maybe it's working 9-5 and simply taking care of yourself and your loved ones. Maybe you're a high-income person and can donate money to the various pro-2nd Amen groups. Maybe you are a student or intellectual with a gift for writing 100 letters to the editor in hopes that one or two will be published. Only you know what you can do.

Whatever it is, remember to do at least one thing every day.
 
After reading that DU thread...

My head feels lighter due to the number of neurons that committed suicide rather than put up with that tripe.

After having trolled on DU as SocialistGunOwner (trying to get them to convince me that my "newly found" Libertarian ideals were incorrect and to "Show me the light"), I was banned. I also was quite tired of encountering attacks of stupidity en mass. It was much like the "Yellow Horde" attack-style of China in the Korean Conflict (Police Action, War, Skermish, etc). I refuse to go over there again, and cannot stand how intolerant everyone is.

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I would move if they took over the country. Go start my own country, and refuse to join the UN. Everyone is welcome to join, as long as certain Libertarian ideas are not challenged (Constitution stuff).
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You form a free country with a strong constitution and solidly established individual rights and I'm there whether the DU types take over here or not... Already too much of their BS in this country, only going downhill....

I want my own damn island...
 
What you do on other boards is your business. However, the way you represent THR on other boards could possibly affect your membership here.

THR does not do flame wars. Not ever. Not for any reason. THR members who start flame wars with other boards will find that they have a lot to deal with in a short time.

THR does not do trolling. We don't tolerate trolls on our board, and we don't expect DU to tolerate trolls on theirs. If you want to have an honest discussion, and they ban you, that's unfortunate. We wouldn't do it, ourselves, but that's our choice and they have the right to make theirs. If THR members are trolling, I have no sympathy when they get banned.
 
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