Cslinger's DU rant

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by SteyrAUG on 14 August 2003
You don't wanna bother them with your views or your concerns about your freedom. They will stick their fingers in their ears and scream "Gore is my president" over and over. You'd be better off trying to teach your dog calculus then trying to get them to consider your views.
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That has got to be one of the funniest and most true statements that I have read in a long time. After just seven minutes of reading posts on DU, I completely agree.
 
Originally posted by Don Gwinn

What you do on other boards is your business. However, the way you represent THR on other boards could possibly affect your membership here.

THR does not do flame wars. Not ever. Not for any reason. THR members who start flame wars with other boards will find that they have a lot to deal with in a short time.

THR does not do trolling. We don't tolerate trolls on our board, and we don't expect DU to tolerate trolls on theirs. If you want to have an honest discussion, and they ban you, that's unfortunate. We wouldn't do it, ourselves, but that's our choice and they have the right to make theirs. If THR members are trolling, I have no sympathy when they get banned.
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Respectfully, I do not think that Chris represented THR in any way that was not positive.

His response was reasoned and reasonable. It was also kind.

He expicitly said that he was not flaming, nor would he be trolling. I believe that his past behavior has, and his future behavior will, prove this to be true.

Knowing Chris, I can't see him as "just stirring the pot." He (I'm sure) knows that 99.99% of the people at DU are "invincibly ignorant." If there is a reasonable person over there, (hey, it could happen!) they will see him and THR as a reasonable place. The unreasonable ones are lost causes anyway. (until they get mugged)

I see him as extending a hand to someone who may be in need. That is exactly the type of behavior that I expect from the average gun owner. I expect it because it has been my experience that most gun owners are very caring and giving.

As far as being banned at DU, it is pretty obvious that if you display any "diversity of thought" over there, you get banned. This occurs whether it is a rational discussion or not. If you are not "in lockstep" with them, they will ban you.

Please cut him some slack. If a flame war starts here, it is because of reactionaries over there looking to start a fight. Chris merely extended a hand of friendship to someone in need.

Thanks,
Todd
 
I also monitor the DU board, to try to get a feel for their beliefs and to understand why they feel the way they do. Very few posts and so far have not tried to get banned. Those who can, should do their best to provide good solid information to those that need it and are open to other ideas. We can preach to the choir, but the "sinners" need our help too. Cslinger did it right I think.

As for this MrBenchley, he/she seems to be quite a character. It almost appears that this individual is so antigun that there may be an underlying reason for it, like he (assuming he is a he) cannot own a weapon or qualify for a CCW. Either that or he just wants to argue just to argue. He resorts to childish terms (pantload???) and some name calling when all else fails (my perception only).

Back to lurking and learning.
Mormonsniper
 
What you do on other boards is your business. However, the way you represent THR on other boards could possibly affect your membership here.
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Hey I didn't go over there to cause trouble, attempt to get banned, make fun of anybody or any other such reason. Heck I didn't even want to register, I just wanted to send the person in question an email.

As far as preaching, I could care less what anybody else thought over there as I was just trying to lend a helping hand to somebody who seemed to need some guidance and who could possibly make a rash decision that would have disaterous effects on her life without proper thought and training. Not to mention that if she did just lock and load and go kill somebody out of fear she would fuel the fires of anti gun sentiment.

I made it perfectly clear that I wasn't there to argue, I didn't mis-represent who I was or what I believed in, I didn't say that anybody's belief's were wrong or stupid, heck, I even told a MMM member to think hard before she changes her views just because of emotion.

I really and truely only posted because I thought the poor woman could use a little support and a helping hand.

I am sorry if I have caused a ruckous. I just figured it was the right thing to do.

Chris
 
They're quite up-front about not wanting anybody but ultra-liberal folks posting there. With that in mind, it's not really proper to try to debate with them. IMO, that's a separate thing from cslinger's effort.

Art
 
"They're quite up-front about not wanting anybody but ultra-liberal folks posting there. "

Not very democratic of them.

But wait, is it the Democratic or democratice Underground? May explain a few things.


KC
 
Cslinger,
I think you did great. People that take a "helping hand" as "trolling" are people that I want nothing to do with. I can only hope to meet such people as yourself if I need a helping hand.

IMHO, I think that Don Gwinn was performing the "yall play nice and reflect well on your folks now" role that Mods have to do every so often. A note to Don Gwinn though: A disclaimer would ease the reactionary posts after said warnings. Something like: I realize most of yall dont do this, but for those that would potentially reflect upon THR poorly (ie "foot in mouth syndrome") *insert Moderator wisdom and authority assertion here*.

Just my non-flamable $.02.
 
man... I'd forgotten just how crazy those people can be.

I didn't realize I was a "Lunatic Randite"

BTW, cslinger - I don't think you did anything wrong. It's the DU'ers problem if they take offense at your attempt to help somebody.
 
I just went by the DU and find it to be a very single sided place. The feeling I got form that place was nothing but hate. (this is my personel opinion and like my father said "opinions are like A-holes everybodies got one."). I am not tring to say anything bad but, I try to keep an open mind and look at everything. I do not make decision just because my "Party" makes one. At that site it is stated very clear what they are there for "we fully intend to make the word "conservative" absolutely radioactive" ( a driect quote from the "About democratic Underground" page. It is to much of a close mind and reminds me to much of a little kid that would say "you wont play my way! Then I'll just get the ball and go home". In the posts that I read everyone of them I mean EVERYONE of them was used to bash someones intelligence or to be mean. That does not sound like a place that wants to hear anything but what they want to hear. ( so if you have any ideas or individual thoughts do not post them there). I do not know how the mods of this board will feel about this post but it is just the opinion of one person who is willing to listen and not bash someone because they have different ideas then I do. In ending this i will say " I am sorry" to the mods of this board if I have made any statement that may have offended anyone here.

mark
 
what Art said.

CS -- goodonya for tryin' to help. That was about as un-troublemaking a post I could imagine seeing.

What Don's trying to say (I think, Don Correct me if I'm wrong) is to go to another board that's obivously got some philisophical disagreements with us and trying to stir up trouble while inferring one represents THR is a no-no. I don't think any of us see you as having done that.

Now, if DU mods percieve that as such, well then... that's pretty telling of their character, isn't it?

-K
 
deriding and sneering at gun owners and the "powerful gun industry."
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I just wanna see someone insert the phrase "powerful swimming pool lobby" somewhere...

Guys, my little brother is a lot like these folks - he's spent far too much time in and around the halls of academia, he's sure he's being discriminated against (somehow...), and that big business is out to get him... It, quite frankly, borders on paranoid schizophrenia. You cannot reason with him - he absolutely refuses to let go of his core beliefs. So I don't try to.
 
re:cslinger

We need more ambassadors of good will within the shooting sports community like you!

Re: DU, I think their rules are conclusive evidence of what they stand for. "We're right, your wrong, we seek to coerce you into our way of thinking or you can't live in our world".

Each of us has a right to determine that which we consume for information or those with whom we associate. In a public place like an internet forum, to take a position like they do which "stifles debate" is contradictory to common sense.

The good news, is that people are diverse. We are fearfully and wonderfully but not "identically" made. Their insistence on "lock-step" compliance with a specific agenda is likely to cause dissent, even within their own ranks to the point where DU may end up as one lonely individual who has the satisfaction of knowing that "they are right", but will be posting only for their own enjoyment...;)

My 2 cents, ANYONE BUT BUSH in 2004 is a mistake :neener:...
...unless he signs the AWBAN extension.:fire:

Best wishes and safe shooting,

CZ52'
 
"Lunatic Randite"? Heh. That's pretty droll...

I wonder what you are if you actually said to a friend over lunch the other day that you thought Ayn Rand was a little too authoritarian and statist for your tastes? ;)
 
wow. reading the threads at DU is a great laxative. i am so glad we dont use argumentitive tactics like their posters do. not once did they offer any proof or evidence to back their claims. instead it was 'cry me a river!'; 'put some more spin on it'; 'if you have to ask i dont have to tell you'...

alright, who has the delousing powder? i need to cleanse myself after spending the last hour at DU.
 
Hey, I'm more curious about whether or not Cslinger got a PM or other response from the person he offered to help. Cslinger?
 
I agree with what Don says. We on THR conduct ourselves in a dignified manner, for the most part. We're all guilty about getting exercised from time to time, though, but not as a rule. We are no less dogmatic about what we believe, I suppose, than others. But at the same time I have on numerous occasions seen posters here and TFL who don't believe as we do regarding RKBA or are puzzled etc. come on THR and are welcomed and treated with respect. If they are trolls, it becomes obvious and the conversation ends. You can't reason with a person who's desire is to inflame. What sets us apart is that we attempt to reason with folks, some of us better than others. Even if we don't succeed in convincing folks, our deameanor at least says something about us, at least to people who are reasonable even if they disagree. Personally the disdain that DU has for us and what we believe reinforces my opinion about leftists and statists and libs. That disdain also produces a feeling about the rightness of our view of freedom. Sure, I take swipes at the left etc, but usually in good humor without the bitterness I see on DU.

I went to DU and lurked and what I saw there would not attract me to become a part of that group, even if I had left or liberal leanings. It is profitable, perhaps to go over there to see what the discussions are about, but I wouldn't participate. But, it doesn't hurt to see what is going on. There is enought to be angry about in the daily grind to subject myself, to often, to the bitterness over there.

I'm starting to ramble......so.....Illigitimi non carborundum est!

grampster
 
I am sorry if I have caused a ruckous. I just figured it was the right thing to do.
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Cslinger: Operating from high principles is never a mistake.

The very best that we CAN is to

"Do one right thing after another".
 
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