CT resident hi-cap magazine registration form

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Actually, I'm one who DID in fact leave the state because of this garbage.
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I applaud you as well.

To say that leaving isn't an option is ridiculous. Anything can be accomplished its all based on desires.
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I never said it isn't an option. Many factors play a part. If you're in a job field that doesn't have many openings or the openings that are out there pay 1/2 of what you make now is a serious consideration. If husband and wife both work then you have 2 jobs to consider. If you own a home and are upside down, you can't sell. If your kids are in a high school they like and you like, it's important to consider their needs. If your parents are older and ailing you may wish to be there for them, etc.

There are a lot of things that stop many from moving because they are fed up. Can it be done? Sure. Is it always the right thing to do? It depends on where you place your priorities. Everybody has different priorities and no one is more right or more wrong for their own, personal decisions.
 
How much did ALL of you fight before?
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Let's see you ask this same question to your brothers in WA if they pass a midnight "emergency legislation", without a public forum, the same way NYS did and then CT followed. If your state legislature is close pro/anti and another massacre happens, be wary. They are sneaky and borderline illegal in how they pass these "emergency legislations". Seattle should keep you on guard because if they can, they will. Now we have to (and will) fight thru the courts to get these laws overturned. In the mean time we comply.
 
All of this with gun seizing in NYC and magazine registration and etc...I think my head's going to explode. 15 years ago I could imagine them maybe whittling down one's ability to purchase semi-autos and such but when people would say, "Watch out, they'll be knockin soon!" I'd always roll my eyes. Now they're doing just that, sending letters and knocking on doors like the Gestapo.

I don't mean to hijack the topic but when I started reading this I was like...whaaat?!
 
If you think about it logically, what other reason could they have for a magazine registration? We're talking magazines here, not full auto machine guns. It's for future confiscation. What other reason could it be? It also tells them how many guns and what type they are because they would assume the mags fit something you own. It's not always the case but I'd say chances are good for a gun to go with the magazine. If they ever pass a law banning +10 mags with no grandfather clause, all they have to do is send letters to all those who registered theirs. To those who didn't register theirs, they run the risk of losing their right to own any gun, anywhere. They truly make me sick. So, this protects the children, how? This law was pushed thru so that Sandy Hook doesn't happen again, right? SO how did it change a single thing? Dirtbag politicians are all they are.
 
When a firearm is purchased in Ct., three DPS-3-c are filled out. I understand one for DPS one for local LE and one for the buyer. I beleive the state knows who bought what.
I hope everyone remembers what our legislators did to us and vote to rid ourselves of the likes of these incompetent know nothings.
 
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True but I've lived here only 2+ years. When I moved here I owned some handguns that were not registered in CT. My BHP was not purchased since I moved here but I have to register the mags for it. I'm sure there are many CT gun owners who have mags for guns that they bought before these laws were in force or they moved here after they owned them. The only reason for registration IS confiscation. See the thread on NYS sending letters to registered firearms.
 
If I were in a situation like this I'd completely disassemble the mags, grease the parts, stash them away somewhere then buy tens for range and other public use. It's still sideways but the silver lining is you aren't putting miles on your original mags.

To the best of my knowledge disassembled mags are not considered mags in the eyes of any government or organization. If you were really worried you could throw away an easily replaceable part like the spring or follower then you don't even have the components to make a whole mag so who's to say you're in possession of a high cap mag (because clearly you are not).

If it's any consolation I highly, highly doubt CT will be throwing people in jail over this, or even slapping them with charges. I have a relative in California, been there many times, hunted there, hung out with a bunch of gun club guys there, a few of whom were LEO. We were talking about that state's backwards laws and not one of them has ever heard of someone being arrested for an unregistered handgun, unless the gun was being used in commission of a crime. Even in tight areas like LA or Frisco the worst that'll happen is the gun gets confiscated until you can get it DROSed and even that is unlikely to occur unless you're a known felon. All this in the extremely unlikely event you're in a situation where LEO runs the serial through CA DOJ (9 times out of 10 they'll run it to see if it's stolen and that's it).

In a nutshell this seems like a big political stunt and if I were a CT resident I'd absolutely avoid mailing in some registration BS even if that meant moving the mags out of state. Like I said some of you legal eagles should look into the ramifications of mag disassembly and "mag repair kits" like they have in CA.
 
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To the best of my knowledge disassembled mags are not considered mags in the eyes of any government or organization. If you were really worried you could throw away an easily replaceable part like the spring or follower then you don't even have the components to make a whole mag so who's to say you're in possession of a high cap mag (because clearly you are not).
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I believe (and certainly could be wrong) that the body of the magazine is considered the actual magazine. So if you have the body, then you have the mag.
 
I just want to reiterate Larry's point about the way this law was passed. Late night, closed forum, no public review. Weasels at work.
 
They called it an "emergency bill", but it didn't meet that criteria. Lawsuits currently pending to overturn it on that basis.
 
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I believe (and certainly could be wrong) that the body of the magazine is considered the actual magazine. So if you have the body, then you have the mag.
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The entire assembled mag with all parts is considered a mag. The mag bodies on high cap and limited cap mags is in some cases the exact same with the baseplate, spring and/or follower being the difference.

California has been dealing with the mag thing for years and as I said CA residents are allowed to order mag repair kits which contain everything an assembled high cap would contain...it's just not assembled. The best way to see the ramifications of mag legislation would be to find existing legislation elsewhere. California is similar in terms of how it defines and treats high caps, which is why I'm pointing you guys in that direction.

I encourage anyone put in the crosshairs by this law to scrutinize the wording and see how they define high cap magazine. If it's something like "A removable device or container permitting a firearm to carry and utilize more than ten rounds without reloading" then a box of parts would not fall under the purview of said law unless the parts were assembled into a working magazine and subsequently put in a situation where LEO could identify it as such.

It sounds to me like you can have your cake and eat it too. Please CT residents I understand and identify with your fears and but pursue all available avenues before you sign away your rights.
 
Taking inventory here. There looks to be maybe 100 mags to fit AR15 pattern rifles alone, different brands, 20 and 30 rounders.
The registration form only has 13 lines on it, and the state isn't paying me for my time to write in every onerous detail.
Do you think they'd be fine with only caliber, capacity and quantity? If I skipped out on breaking it down by brand names, it'd be less forms to fill out.
 
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Taking inventory here. There looks to be maybe 100 mags to fit AR15 pattern rifles alone, different brands, 20 and 30 rounders.
The registration form only has 13 lines on it, and the state isn't paying me for my time to write in every onerous detail.
Do you think they'd be fine with only caliber, capacity and quantity? If I skipped out on breaking it down by brand names, it'd be less forms to fill out.
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Obviously you're a heavily armed and fortified nutcase to have that many high capacity magazines. They'll have to pull Janet Reno out of retirement to take care of you.

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Seriously...not being a CT resident, what does the law say about filling out the forms and how to document the magazines? For example, if it says you must fill out a separate form for each magazine, then that's what you must do. If you're going to do this (register them), rather than send the majority of them out of state beforehand, then you must comply with their instructions.

You do not have enough time left to do a half-donkey'd job on this, only to have the paperwork rejected and be in illegal possession of potentially 100 separate violations of the law for which they can charge you for. And THEY would probably be more than happy to file all the necessary paperwork to charge you with 100 separate violations of the law.

Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to be screwed over this. It ain't worth it, because they'll be HAPPY to convict you on something that would preclude you from ever owning a firearm again.
 
When they ask for the make of the magazine, I believe it is the make of the gun, not the maker of the magazine. Many mags have no mfg company on them.
e.g. My BHP mags. I listed the make as Browning Hi Power. Some mags have the MecGar logo and some don't. I have no idea who makes mags with no mfg name on it.

So, for the 30 round mags I'd list the make as AR15, the caliber, the amount of rounds and the number of magazines. Samw with the 20 round mags, etc.

So, if you have only 20 and 30 round mags, you'd have 2 lines, not 20 or 30.
 
Larryh1108, I like that idea: fits ar15. Thanks

When filling out forms for the rifles, I think I should enter multi caliber for the bore size, because I have several different uppers of various calibers.

Rifles were all purchased new as .223, and I have the DPS-3 forms to show that, but since I already had various caliber upper receivers to interchange amongst my lower receivers... and there was no law against it at the time of my acquiring all of that equipment to interchange my accessories... Why would I want to tether myself to the limits of only registering my rifles as .223 when I use them as multiple caliber rifles?
 
The entire assembled mag with all parts is considered a mag. The mag bodies on high cap and limited cap mags is in some cases the exact same with the baseplate, spring and/or follower being the difference.
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I believe that this has to be true.

Disclaimer: I don't know what the law says.

Common Sense:
The body of the magazine has NO relation to capacity. Example: Ruger uses the EXACT same mag for 10/5/1. The only difference is an internal plastic piece. The body of the magazine has no bearing on capacity. Since 30 rounders could be modified to only support 10 rounds, body of the magazine has no bearing on capacity. Only the ASSEMBLED magazine can be examined to determine if it 1) will hold more than 10 rounds and 2) if it has been sufficiently modified to prevent the user from executing some "trick" (think bullet button, in the case of "fixed magazines") to load it to greater than 10 rounds.

More common sense: The body of a magazine is often little more than a square hollow piece of metal or plastic. In and of itself, it is meaningless. Are you going to outlaw all square hollow pieces of plastic based on their length?


This seems legal:

If I were in a situation like this I'd completely disassemble the mags, grease the parts, stash them away somewhere then buy tens for range and other public use. It's still sideways but the silver lining is you aren't putting miles on your original mags.
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I'd probably register a few 30's, disassemble all of the others, and purchase a bunch of tens for the range. Use the disassembled mags for parts for the registered mags until the law is rescinded, or until such time as the world has changed and requires the emergency use of 30 rounders. If 30's are later confiscated, you only lose a few of them. Under no circumstances do you EVER assemble more 30's than you have registered.
 
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From DESPP website:
Q: What, exactly, is a Large Capacity Magazine?
A: A “Large capacity magazine” is any firearm magazine, belt, drum,
feed strip or similar device that has the capacity of, or can readily be
restored or
converted to accept , more than ten rounds of ammunition, but does not
include:
A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it
cannot accommodate more than ten rounds of ammunition,
A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device,
A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever action firearm, or
A magazine that is permanently inoperable.”
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I'm not a lawyer. I don't know what they mean when they say "or can be readily retored" I think it means if you have a whole magazine with a limiter that can be easily removed (ie an easily removeable bolt) then it would be illegal.

I hope it doesn't mean if you have all the parts for a Hi-Cap magazine it would be illegal. They use words like "a magazine...or similar device" Is a similar device the body of the magazine? If it is, then it could be construed that if you could easily restore it with parts, it would be illegal:confused:. I don't know, I don't want to register them so it seems like the safest thing is to ship them to my relative in a free state and use 10 rounders (when I can get them...they are out of stock).
 
For all the folks who wish to ship their high cap mags out of state, allow me to play devils advocate.
There is a problem with sending them all out of the state. You would be removing them from common use. Removing them from being common, normal and regular... Which is exactly what the anti-gunners would want.

If you register some high-capacity magazines, they are preserved as being legally acceptable with in the state to pass down to your heirs.
To be able to pass them down to my kids would mean something to me.

Anyone have any input regarding registering rifles as multiple caliber?
 
Anyone have any input regarding registering rifles as multiple caliber?
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I hope the people entering these forms into the computer are gun people; because I don't want to spend a lot of time explaining how my AR lower has 5.56, 7.62x25, and 7.62x39 uppers; as well as a ceiner conversion for .22lr...

I listed the mags for the 7.62x25 upper as PPsh43 mags; which is what they are, or rather how they started life, but now they work in the AR....so i am guessing that at some point someone could assume i have a PPsh43, which i don't.

On one hand, my AR lower has "cal. 5.56" engraved on the side....on the other, that engraving doesn't mean squat with a 7.62 upper on there.
 
If a mag can accept multiple calibers, I'd register it as the original intent that matches your lower (e.g. 5.56). I have an Astra pistol and the mag is stamped 9mm on one side and 40S&W on the other and can be used for either one. I used to own a BHP in .40S&W but still have 3 mags (the gun was sold). It held 10 rounds of 40S&W but it fits a 9mm BHP and holds the 13 rounds the original mag was designed for. I am not registering these as they were made for 10 rounds of .40S&W. Owning various uppers is not illegal since it's the lower that is registered. If you have specific mags for each caliber then it would be wise to register them as they are set up.
 
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