Cultural Infiltration

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Over in "General" discussions, we have a thread going . . .
California Refugees: Oregon or Washington?
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=243752
. . . that made me think a bit.

I've noticed, over the last couple of years (with some alarm, I might add) that we have, as a culture and a nation, been infiltrated by people from foreign lands and foreign cultures. These "other nationals" and "other culturals" set up house, refuse to assimilate, and tend to cluster together in communities, one neighborhood at a time, until they make up the majority of the population for their community, area, burrough, city, county, region, and so on.

It's incremental and it's deliberate.

So . . . what if . . .

What would stop a group of like-minded, culturally coherent, nationally consistent folks from deciding to deliberately populate an area, bringing with them the trappings of their culture, with the express design of eventually achieving a majority voting bloc?

Politicians have already shown that votes mean more than principles. What could be better than an environment where politicians could run on constitutional principles AND still get the vote?

As Americans, we find ourselves distracted by the dollar and by ever-better "opportunity" and forsake our roots, moving to culturally hostile regions for the sake of a "standard of living" while forfeiting our rights so as not to rock a boat.

Consider the alternative. Imagine for a moment that we, the defenders of this nation's constitution, were willing to endure the kind of inconvenience that other cultures have shown they can, and took our various skills and knowledge and, most importantly, our culture and mores, and stuck together as other cultures do?

Now, instead of griping that "those [Eastern] dudes only hire from their own culture" or that "you can't get a job once the [nationality here] move in," we establish our very own brand of "prejudice" by clearly announcing "NOT AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY EMPLOYER" and exhibiting a clear bias in favor of constitutional integrity -- specifically with regard to the Bill Of Rights -- in choosing to hire.

The town would actively encourage gun ownership. Schools would eschew federal funding, and would teach gun safety. The school rifle team would be a point of pride. The town would host a professional training center resort, a la GunSite, and it would be a desirable destination. Gunsmiths would be encouraged to set up shop. Manufacturers would be courted.

Easy? Heck no.
Sacrifices? Heck yes.
Opposition? Count on it.
Overnight? Not likely.
Decades? Perhaps.
Worth it? Absolutely.

I know that I, personally, would take a serious pay cut and change careers to become part of a town that wanted me for who I am and what I believe and support as opposed to what university gave me my degree.
 
Free State

I Googled "Free State Project" and found the New Hampshire thing, but also a "Free State Wyoming" thing.

Are these related in any fashion beyond the name?

I would personally be more inclined toward Wyoming: more space, not quite so claustrophobic (surrounded by hostile populations).

If I had been asked to pick a state for this, one of the Idaho, Montana, Wyoming trinity would have been first, followed closely by the other trinity of Nevada, Utah, Arizona.

One wonders, how is it that an individual can feel like a refugee inside one's own country of birth?
 
ArfinGreebly, when the Free State Project chose New Hampshire over Wyoming it caused a major split in the movement, so yes, the FS Wyoming and FSP New Hampshire people were at one time the same movement.

I tend to agree with the Wyoming folk, but honestly I wouldn't want to live in either place.
 
To elaborate more over my last reply, I think it's a good idea, but I think NH was a major tactical error. Mostly because the exact idea is being played out there in reverse, with all of the spillover Massachussetts folk moving in.

I don't think I'd live in WY either, for much of the same reason I'd not choose to live in NH: too dang cold.

And honestly, I've lived in NV. Now, admittedly, it was the bustling metropolis of Las Vegas, so there was probably some serious California going on there, but I moved back to New Mexico after 6 months because of the overbearing feeling I got from the sheer amount of regulation and whatnot I found there.

New Mexico also has the advantage of a low population. I think more people live in Phoenix than all of NM. (Well, according to the census data, not quite, but it's pretty close.) Lower base population means each liberty minded individual who shows up has a statistically larger diluting effect.
 
From Wikipedia.

High housing costs in Massachusetts have primarily contributed to increasing emigration to neighboring New Hampshire and Rhode Island in addition to the Southern and Western states. Other factors cited include taxes, weather, and traffic. According to a poll by University of New Hampshire Survey Center, there is a outflow of about 40,000 people, many young people of working age, leaving Massachusetts each year with many working class migrants moving to exburbs in New Hampshire and professionals moving further afield to Florida, Texas and diverse locations in the Southeast, Midwest and West.

Presuming even only half of the quoted numbers stay in the area, and are evenly divided between NH and RI, that's still half as many people from MA moving to NH each year as the FSP has plans to get to move there at all. That's why I think NH was a grave error for the FSP.
 
I tend to agree with the Wyoming folk, but honestly I wouldn't want to live in either place.
Too bad Wyoming is so damned cold and windy. Not much in the way of forests either. Just open land. Not my kind of place. New Hampshire is too close to NY, NJ, Mass.
 
I like where I am.

Within 10 minutes I can be on a very remote mountain trail or a 4 star restaurant.

Unfortunately there are more of "them" than there are of "us" so I'm stuck living with commie loving leftist idiots no matter where I live (and believe me, Colorado Springs is one of the most libertarian places I've found but we still have statist/leftists running around here)
 
The trick is to control education. Let new immigrants stay, but they only get in influence their society after 10 years, or some mandatory period or contribution. If you do that, and control education, then you can shape a society however you want.

I know - the other side did it here, but there is not waiting period so society has been flooded by left-wing easterners. That's why I suggest not letting new immigrants have sudden voting rights. It takes time to assimilate.
 
Location?

Well, okay then.

California has a very desirable climate range. The infiltration of which I speak has actually targetted this state with its large population and looks to be winning.

NH is, I agree, strategically flawed.

Let us, then, consider Nevada. I have some familiarity with NV, cuz I live there. There's, what, 1.5 million people in the whole state? Most of whom are in Greater Las Vegas?

The Northern part of the state has managed to retain a surprising level of sanity and, now that we have state pre-emption on RKBA, there's a fighting chance that we wouldn't spend the bulk of our initial efforts climbing that hill into the teeth of enemy artillery.

There's substantial infrastructure, some good schools, a decent university with a good engineering college.

You could triple the size of Reno and still have fewer people in the whole state than live in Los Angeles.

There are places not all that far from Reno with vast tracts of arable land, water, and the beginnings of what's needed to establish a major free-standing community.

The trick would be to keep the money clean and recruit employers not beholden to conflicting interests.

I would caution against the argument that the climate has to be ideal or that the land has to be turn-key. Have a look at the aerial photos of Israel and contrast it with the surrounding nations, all of whom have essentially the same set of handicaps. They've taken crap land and made it farms and pastures.

We have everything we need here. All that's missing is the willingness to start with crap, work hard, live hard, and grow our own paradise.

I will grant that it's not Tennessee or Kentucky or Ohio or . . . any of the other lush states. Quite a lot of what we have is badlands. Good. Keeps the soft-bellied, simpering, entitlement junkies away.

Idaho is a good candidate as well. It doesn't have a huge population, and a goodly chunk of them are already favorably inclined toward individual freedom.

Montana would be more work but, again, you're not working against a large extant population.

Wyoming might suck in many respects. With some imagination, I'm betting it wouldn't have to stay that way.

If the cause is worthwhile and presented properly, recruitment becomes geometric as people living with oppression realize there's opportunity and freedom just over that hill.

One thing that would be vital is a long term view. Employers would need to be businesses that can see past the end of their next-quarter-earnings noses, and actually buy into the premise of the community.

Now, where did I leave that random billionaire I found last week . . . ?
 
Arfin's question is sadly easy ...

Arfin Greebly asked:

One wonders, how is it that an individual can feel like a refugee inside one's own country of birth?

For most people in the world, I suspect it's pretty easy. Most people are born in places where their government believes that they are basically harvest or fleecing material.

Now, in America, that question *should* be harder to answer, but then again there are a lot of Native Americans who might feel differently, and plenty of gov't to go around in the U.S. for everyone else, too; for example, despite soft words to the contrary, the IRS certainly seems to see citizens as a productive herd rather than citizens whose consent is important.

Governments aren't living organism, of course -- they're made of individuals -- but if for the same of an analogy you can think of them as organisms for a moment, they're greedy ones, which tend to seek and consolidate power. I don't actually remember events before sometime in the 1970s, but I suspect history bears this out as the usual course of events, too ...

I think people all over the place have good reason to feel like refugees, at least if they expect their "home" country to favor freedom whenever possible.

timothy
 
America has no culture. We are just a conglomeration of people from all over the world. Refugees coming here and staking out their claim is what is has been since ummm, Columbus. My people are from Scotland. What about yours?

Anthony
 
There's a difference between 'multicultural' and 'cosmopolitan'. The latter is possible, the former is disastrous. Two different cultures, with contrasting goals, will not be able to co-exist. Every time one wins, the other loses. The only long term options are for one to lose, or leave.

Look at Europe for the problems with poorly-planned 'multiculturalism'. You can have a variety of ethnicities, languages, regions, whatever. But there must be a higher virtue that all people in the culture universally hold true.
 
The trick is to control education. Let new immigrants stay, but they only get in influence their society after 10 years, or some mandatory period or contribution. If you do that, and control education, then you can shape a society however you want.

Does it mean I'm not allowed to show you what real Chinese food is like until 10 years after I land?! :D

I know - the other side did it here, but there is not waiting period so society has been flooded by left-wing easterners. That's why I suggest not letting new immigrants have sudden voting rights. It takes time to assimilate.

It's already been done. Permanent residents are not allowed to vote except in some local elections. The shortest time one can get US citizenship, thus become eligible to vote, is 3 years. Most of us have to wait at least 5 years before being allowed to apply for naturalization.
 
Exactly, but in my country lieberals have been flooding into my province, and there's nothing to stop them from passing laws. My city (lieberal mayor) just passed a version of the British anti-social laws. One can't spit in public anymore. Or carry a knife openly. And we're as anti-smoking as Seattle. And so-on.

My cousin's ranch has the same problem, on a smaller scale. Yuppies don't like the urban paradise they create, so buy land 'in the country' - subdivided ranches and farms. Then they've got 10 or 100 yuppies to every farmer or rancher. Then bylaws suddenly get passed saying manure smells too bad, and trucks are too loud, etc.

It's a form of conquest. By all means, the FSP should use it. But once successful it's important to immediately see that it can't be used against you! Like that saying that the radical will become a conservative the day after his revolution succeeds.
 
Cultural-ism

If it matters, my family has largely been here since . . . forever. My grandma on Mom's side had the "Chapin Book" which is a genealogy tracing the main maternal line back to Plymouth. Aside from that, we're mostly from various parts of Britain (Mom's line was chiefly Welsh, Dad's chiefly Scottish).

My ancestors arrived, either spoke the language or learned it, adopted the culture as their own, and made their way as Americans. Mom's father was a ballistics expert and inventor. Lost a patent dispute with one of the "big three" firearms makers of the day, meaning that I didn't get to grow up as a trust fund brat.

What my ancestors did NOT do was arrive, sneak in, refuse to learn the language, refuse to adopt the culture, demand free services, and threaten to take the country away from those already living here. Most of them arrived after 1800, and settled in Connecticut and Maine. There was already a country in place, with a (primarily English) culture.

The obligatory "theft of native lands" rant will be taken as read.

Let us not spend too much time worrying about which of us are descended from slaves, which from the masters, which from fugitive villains.

Like most of you, I'm quite aware that the current set of problems is an outgrowth of Creeping Socialist Incrementalism, and that the current "foreign culture" incursion would be quite impossible without that aspect.

What I'm postulating is creating an environment where the socialist element has been removed. Without a steady diet of handouts, anyone who wants to stay alive will either have to assimilate or leave.

I have always enjoyed having my environment "seasoned" by the cuisines, customs, legends, ethnic aspects, and idioms of other lands. Never been real big on racism and xenophobia.

If you flee from China to America because you want a shot at a better life, that's cool. Learn English, learn how we do things here (voting, RKBA, drive on the right, freedom of movement, etc.) and build a legacy for your family. If you want to build a Chinese Cultural Centre, great!

We'll get along fine, until you tell me I can't exercise some aspect of American culture because you're "offended" by my a) cross, b) flag, c) rose garden, d) prayers, e) whatever.

When you begin proposing that a statue of the first explorer to tramp these hills be replaced by some symbol of your alleged culture because of some presumptive and fictitious prior claim to the land, we're gonna have a problem.

You want to wear Polish traditional garb? Groovy! You want to force ME to wear Polish trad garb, because your culture is displacing mine? Gotta problem.

Wanna build a Buddhist temple? Have at it. Hold a gun to my head to convert me to Buddhism? Buh-bye!

Wanna speak French at home? Magnifique! Tell me I have to print ballots and other forms in French to accomodate you? Uh, dude, Paris is thataway.

Want to help me educate my kids? If you can write me a check and keep your nose out of how I teach them, fine. Can't do that? Must have strings attached? Piss off, then.

I want my children or grandchildren to have a whack at the kind of childhood I had, and the things that were available to me growing up.

The Northern California of my youth is long gone. When I came back from overseas, the rot had already set in.

I want my grandkids to be able to grab a rifle and head out into the woods or hills for the day.
"Grampa, we're going out. We're headed over to rustler's peak. Be back by dark."
Okay, kids. What're you taking with you? Got enough ammo? You get stuck, call me from Swenson's, I'll come get you.

I don't need to be wealthy and comfortable. I need to be free.
 
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