Current options for .22LR AR uppers?

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I'm looking to build an AR for plinking in 22lr.

Since the available options for .22LR uppers seem to be constantly changing, I thought I'd ask my fellow THRers what they're aware of and what they own/shoot/like.

I'd like this to be a dedicated upper, and I'd like it to be as inexpensive as possible (sub-$400).

Currently I'm considering a v-22 (if I can find one for a decent price) or a Blackthorne. I'm willing to build it myself, if anyone knows where to get the proper parts at an affordable price.

Thanks in advance.
 
Dont get a V-22 or a Blackthorne. Both of those are very bad options. The Spikes upper is generally considered the standard.

If you have heard"Conversion kits arent accurate" all I can say is, mine is rediculously accurate in a 1/9 twist 16 inch barrel. Better than my 10/22 and past that I dont care.

Get a $250 dollar 1/9 upper, slap a conversion kit on it and have both.

Thats my advice.
 
Dont get a V-22 or a Blackthorne. Both of those are very bad options.

Really? Why is that? I've been reading good things about them. Can you provide some more detail?

If you have heard"Conversion kits arent accurate" all I can say is, mine is rediculously accurate in a 1/9 twist 16 inch barrel.

I've read that you need a 1/16 twist barrel for the best accuracy, 1/7 for the worst, and everything in between was, well, in between.

I like the idea of being able to drop in a conversion and quickly switch from 5.56 to .22lr, the only thing making me lean towards a dedicated upper was what I've read about accuracy and damage to the barrel and gas port from excessive leading. Have you experienced any problems with leading? Which conversion to you use?
 
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My experience certainly didn't match dom's. I have never shot a conversion that was 'better than my 10/22'. It's not just twist, it's caliber. An AR actually shoots .224 bullets. a .22 lr is .221 caliber, that's pretty much the depth of the rifling, the bullet just barely touches them in an AR barrel. Conversion kits close off the gas system, dedicated uppers don't even have a gas system.

I'm looking at a CMMG or a Spike's with the tax return. I want one to shoot a bajillion rounds with this spring to make sure I get back my expert rifle qual badge. I would get any one that takes Black Dog mags and has a bolt hold open.
 
http://akpartskits.com/cart/index.p...id=505&zenid=88f5b7fb012839dfd5041be1032b8488

We talked about this earlier. My Thornwood/ Velocity functions just fine. I have no regrets what so ever and i'd buy another.
Nobody here replying has seen, shot nor even has had a Thornwood. $408 delivered with 3 mags. Why pay more?

http://www.compasslake.com/22uppers.htm Over $1000 for upper and $40 for a low capacity mag in short supply.

http://www.spikestactical.com/z/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=72&zenid=7d3uq1behmu4qkghm3v6booii4 $600. no mag included. $20 Black Dog Mag (Thornwood uses the same)

It is your money.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=498022
 
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For the more expensive options if you could find a used Keuhl upper that would be good. Spikes Tactical and Tactical Inovations are both nice "real" dedicated 22lr uppers, TIs are $495 and up, Spikes ~$550 and up. Rogar has a new type of design ~$800. On the newer "budget" uppers I have heard good stuff on the Velocity (appears to be a Hesse company) and Chiappa uppers. These are ~$300-350 uppers that have carbon filber recievers. You have the composite complete AR-22 guns from Ruger, SW, etc that are in the $400s. There is not really a "best value", its whatever you need. If you need it as a training tool and accuracy is not as important the $129-200 conversion kits may make a lot of since, its not the just the cost but you have your primary optics already in place and your exact config, etc. If you need to put rails, slings, a $500 aimpoint, etc on top of your dedicated upper or plastic AR-22 type the cost structure really changes. Not only is a Ruger 10/22 better than the conversions you could probably make the arguement that the AR-22 are similar or worse, and a dedicated 22 upper may not be that much better. I'm probably getting the Chiappa since its cheap, after they release the FA kit for it (I wanted to run on a M16 lower).
 
I've read that you need a 1/16 twist barrel for the best accuracy, 1/7 for the worst, and everything in between was, well, in between.

I like the idea of being able to drop in a conversion and quickly switch from 5.56 to .22lr, the only thing making me lean towards a dedicated upper was what I've read about accuracy and damage to the barrel and gas port from excessive leading. Have you experienced any problems with leading? Which conversion to you use?

I have no idea about those various twist rates, only reason I went for the 1/9 is the upper was on sale, those $250 dollar nitrided uppers from DSA.

as far as being able to quickly switch, pulling the BCG and slapping in the 22lr one is pretty quick, but i assume you mean adjusting the sights.

I shoot the gun primarily using 22lr, so the red dot stays sighted in at 22lr. The irons I keep sighted in for 5.56, and I imagine if I need the gun superfast I could just use the cowitnessed iron sights. but it only takes a moment to click click click adjust the red dot back to my witness marks for the 5.56.

It IS more of a hassle yes. It does cost a LOT less tho when you add up the dedicated upper, the sights, another red dot, another flashlight, etc. I also like the fact that the gun is THE SAME, so it feels identical weight, flashlight, grip, sights, etc.

But your right a whole new upper is a convenience. I can say I like to be able to throw the conversion unit into my bag, as opposed to trucking around another upper. its small. But the other reason I went with the AR is it fits broken down into a very small bag. So thats me.


As to your other questions I have had zero problems with leading of any kind, shooting federal bulk pack copper plated 550. I have been watching for it as well. I have also had zero FTE,FTL or otherwise, a few duds due to the cheap ammo. It has been more reliable than my 10/22 from a feeding perspective. From the perspective of the conversion, it is the most reliable 22 I have ever used. It however will not work at all, and will jam on every shot with remington Golden Bullets. Most of my guns will however, someday I will get rid of the rest of that box. :)

I shoot very often and have put thousands of rounds thru it. Not even sure how much.

I shoot the STAINLESS steel CMMG conversion kit, have 5 black dog mags, 5 cmmg mags <both seem identical in performance>

I think it cost me 189 w/ 2 mags. Best money I ever spent, kids love it too. Took it to a family picnic, none of the other guys 10/22s even got picked up in 3 hours of shooting.

Keeping the mags loaded was the biggest issue.

The other thing is, bullet traps, targets, reactive targets and especially indoor bullet stops usually work with 22lr, and usually dont with 223. Not to mention 223 indoors is just abusive.


As far as accuracy I was getting 2 inches at 50 yards prone.

That.. is plenty as far enough for a plinker in my opinion. I consider it AK accurate :)

I have no idea if its because my barrel is 1/9, or because its nitrided instead of chromed, or what.

But I am VERY happy with my conversion kit, and will buy one for every AR I build.

I have not heard anything good about Blackthorne, they have a very VERY bad reputation.

As far as the V-22 the issue is replacement parts. Just not as available as the spikes / cmmg / ciener style.

So thats my opinion, hope I helped!
 
How come you guys left out Tactical Solutions upper? I have two of their uppers.. the "M-4ish" one and the "Varmint-ish" one. (the varmint version has a bull barrel)

http://www.tacticalsol.com/store/pc/viewCategories.asp?idCategory=27

Never had a hiccup out of it except once when my girlfriend ran some Remington GB through it... but then GB ammo isn't known for it's consistency.

You can find them used or new for around $4-500 w/mags on various brokerage sites.

They perform on par with 10/22's with 20" slim barrels. The BB guys can sometimes outshoot me :>/

Good luck with your plinkin'
 
Thank you all for your help, I think I have the info I need.

Now I just have to make a decision...
 
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