Current Smith and Wesson service

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mec

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Over the last couple of decades, I've had good luck with the S&W service department. Recently , I sent in a revolver for repair. The problem involves non-warranty damage to the barrel. I was told I would receive an estimate and they would begin work upon payment. I've made two calls on the dates they indicated and have been put off both times. There seems to be a problem related to 1. Inability to find a barrel for this currently cataloged item,or; 2 inability to find the PRICE of the barrel. I got the impression that the service rep was not able to communicate with the gunsmith or that the revolver has not actually been seen by a gunsmith. He seemed to be confused and disoriented.

Anybody else had good/bad recent experiences with S&W customer service?
 
About a year(?) ago, I sent them a 4" 29-2 to have the forcing cone recut and the barrel set back because it had always spit.

They did that work, and in the process, put a very visible cut in the side of the barrel. They sent it back to me with the cut, and without comment. If somebody had called or even included a letter of appology, most of the following could have been avoided.

I immediately noted the problem and contacted them. They tried to deny they'd done it, but I had multiple witnesses, including a gunsmith, my boss, and my lawyer, all of whom had seen the gun immediately before it was sent to S&W. They all agreed that there was no cut.

S&W wanted to grind on the barrel to "fix" the problem. I insisted on a new barrel. After a few days of going around in circles, they agreed to replace the barrel.

The next week, I got a terse email stating that they had no barrels and were going to grind on the barrel and refinish the entire gun, contrary to my very explicit instructions to the contrary. Note I didn't say they asked if that was ok, they just announced that's what they were going to do. I couldn't get hold of the person with whom I was dealing, so I had to fax them a blistering letter telling them I'd sue if they refinished the gun without my permission, since that would pretty much destroy any value it had.

I finally got hold of the person I'd been dealing with and reminded them that they'd agreed to replace the barrel, and that I'd told them in no uncertain terms NOT to grind on the original barrel as a "repair". I told them that until they'd promised to replace the barrel, that I'd been looking for a replacement, and that they needed to take up that search themselves. They said they didn't buy third party parts (which has since been contradicted by others). After even more wrangling, they agreed to install a barrel after I found one. NOBODY had new barrels, so I had to solicit barrels on various message boards. I found two, and bought both, just in case. Of course both were used, and needed refinishing, as now probably would the gun, to match.

In the meantime, I kept getting calls from S&W about how their polisher was leaving and I needed to let them grind on the barrel and refinish the gun RIGHT NOW. This got old right from the start, especially AFTER they'd authorized me to find a replacement barrel. I sent S&W the first barrel, which they rejected as having been set back too many times. I then sent them the second, which they used. At this point, they refused to refinish either the barrel or the gun. I instructed them to send the gun back.

At that point, I refused to deal with them directly anymore and all correspondence went through my attorney. They were given the option of returning the gun to something approximating its original state or to be sued in Ohio. At this point my attorney was contacted by Neil Gibree, their head of customer service. Things immediately turned around. The gun was returned to them and refinished competently in almost exactly two weeks. The gun now looks very nice, although it's practically worthless, having been refinished. I never planned to sell it, but I pretty much couldn't now if I wanted to, without taking a horrendous bath. I've got the wooden presentation box and tools, but the gun is worth all of $400 now. I'd sold the gun to a friend ten years ago and had been trying to get it back for years. This whole process took right on six months. Until I got it back the final time, S&W had the gun longer than I did. This experience pretty much destroyed my enjoyment at getting back.

I'm told, and generally believe, that this is an unusual case. Unfortunately, these things do happen with S&W, and there isn't much rhyme or reason to how or when. Most people seem to get excellent service. Then there's a select few of us who get the AT&T treatment using the Soviet customer service model.

I have no explanation, and can only shrug.
 
Instead of further telephone contacts, I'll probably put everthing in writing and ask for an estimate via snail mail.
 
Good Service

I recently had great service from them. I sent in my 642 for problems with sights being off and with light primer strikes. I sent the gun out on a Tuesday and it was at my door on the next Wednesday.:)
 
I've used S/W for repair and or custom work about a dozen times over the past ten years, results all over the place, from excellent to lousy, averaging ok.

Most recent was a S/W 586 sent in for being out of time, gone for 12 weeks and returned last week. Checked with range rod, still out of time :banghead:, at least they are sending a label this time.

Asking for more than one thing seems to really confuse them for some reason. If you order soemthing like "Patridge front sight, trigger job, matt finish." expect one or more to not be done as often as not.
 
All work done by s & w was very good and reasonable, although I thought all their revolvers had a lifetime warrantry. I guess that expired some time ago??? The only negative is they filed down the front sight on one of my revolvers????? Of course they denied it, but they did.
 
Mine would be under warranty except that what happened to it was my doing and not a product fault. What it is is a model 22- the new fixed sighted one. that shoots 45 acp with moon clips. Shot right to point of aim and handled well. After a bit of shooting, I ripped off a fast double action string and was going too fast to stop when one of them squibbed and stuck in the bore.

No warranty on that sort of thing. Also I was using handloads which would probably kill the warranty too. Lack of ignition is not uncommon with moon clip revolvers but if there's a problem, it usually produces a complete misfire. On this, occasion I believe something cushioned the firing pin strike- possibly a very small amount of full diameter past the case mouth. This is not criticle in autopistols and I've had no problem with the load in those but it might have contributed to a fizzle ignition here. The reason I don't think it was a squib load is that I fired six more to make sure the buldged barrel had really lost all accuracy (It had) and got another blooper that cleared the barrel at low velocity. There was much unburned unique in the barrel.
The loads were consistently good in the 1911 I was shooting that day.
 
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My Model 34

I recently purchased a model 34 that was about 30 years old LNIB on Gunbroker.
Brought to range to find out all brands of ammo tried wouldn't chamber without
extreme force. Sent back to S&W, was told I would have to pay for repair.
I said fine two weeks later it arrived at my office fixed no questions asked !
I have no complaint.
 
I have a 586 dash nothing. This was under recall. The cylinder would bind. I payed $100 for this "warranty" work. When I received the invoice for work done, it was blank. I guess they miracled it back right.

In their defense the problem was fixed. It took about 8 weeks. I am glad to have my gun back in full working order but, wonder about paying for their design flaw.
 
Sounds like a mixed bag with generally satisfactory results. Time frames are likely to be at S&Ws convenience. Because of the contriditory information I have gotten from telephone contacts with them, I believe I will discountinue calling them, wait a couple of months and then handle everything by mail
 
Call and let them send a label if the gun was made after 1988 it has the lifetime forever service policy for free unless you really messed up, and even then it will be less than anyone else with a a high likelyhood of success. If the guns is older many times they will fix it for free or at a charge that would even cover the shipping and back to other gunsmiths. They have all the fixtures and the knowledge. My two repair experiences with them were excellent. Free shipping, no cost repairs done correctly the first time, my guns were stainless steel and if they put any scratches on them I didn't notice.

Deanimator sent them a 40 year old 29 it was in shooter condition by his own description in the original thread they put a small 1/8" scratch on the barrel forward of the frame. Which they deny doing, probably becuase they are usually very careful.
Personally I would have put a drop of cold blue on it and called it good.

The fact that they were willing to bend over backwards to fix it, refinisheing a whole gun with a much less than perfect finish, putting a new barrel on (both ruin the value , which a small touchup would not) I think speaks well for them, I would call Deanimators demands which I followed here as he posted every detail more than a little unreasonable.

No offense Deanimator but your experience isn't a reason to avoid using them. Other manufacturers like SIG and even Ruger would have told you to pound sand.
 
Though the events leading to my buldged barrel were probably influenced by the moon clip interface, I am still sure that the thing would not be warranty work.

In the past decade or so, I have had them engrave a mountain gun and go through a 30+ year olf 29-2 removing end shake and attending to minor carry up issues and reblueing. These were very well done and the communication I had with them very easy to follow. The mountain gun project was in a transition period right before and just after the Safe-T-Hammer buy out and most of the original staff were still on the job.

On the current situation, the cross communication makes be think that things may have changed quite a bit- that and some distinct grumblings from some of the custom pistol smiths.
 
Deanimator sent them a 40 year old 29 it was in shooter condition by his own description in the original thread they put a small 1/8" scratch on the barrel forward of the frame. Which they deny doing, probably becuase they are usually very careful.
It was NOT a "scratch". It was a CUT. A cut displaces material. Cold blue marginally covers surface finish defects. It doesn't fill voids in metal. How much time did you spend handling the gun in person, before and after it went to S&W?

Everybody who'd seen the gun before it went to S&W commented on it.

Lying about the damage initially isn't "bending over backward". It's being dishonest.

When I send a gun to someone for a common repair, I don't expect to get it back worth less than when I sent it, nor to pay good money for the "privilege".

Other manufacturers like SIG and even Ruger would have told you to pound sand.
No, they would have told a judge to "pound sand". Good luck with that...
 
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