Custom 1911 starting at $1200.00

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My gunsmith makes custom 1911's starting at $1200. He's been around for 50 years and has made guns for the military, "Ten X Gunsmithing". I stopped in to ask him if he would do a transfer for me, and that was not a problem.
Then I asked him to see the guns he makes, he uses a slide from Israel Bull "something", and he said it's the same one Springfield and Kimber use. The lower part can be Steel, aluminum or Titaniun, "depending on your wallet. The titanium was $650 just for the cost of the basic frame.
But he showed me a half dozen guns in different stages of completion, and it started me thinking that perhaps having gun made exactly the way I wanted might be the way to go. He doesn't believe in lasers or night sights on a carry gun. I asked him why, and he told me, I happen to agree with him, but the reason was that lasers give away your position, and you still have to see the target to put a laser on it.
He's old school, a separate tac light is what he uses. Anyhow I now have a new train of thought to pursue, an officers size 1911 in stainless with everything custom fitted, for not that much more money than a name brand off the shelf gun. His old carry "which he let me play with" was a Sig 229, with an action job like ice cream, the guy is really good, not fancy just good. He did tell me to stay away from Kimbers. He said they are junk now, but if you want a good off the shelf gun get a Sig 229 or a H&K USP 9mm or 40,45. He also suggested the Sig 238 for a pocket or backup gun, So that was my day.
I know that if I start picking out what I like, I can easily run that gun up near 2 grand, with no problem, that's the only thing holding me back.
 
Having a gun custom made is always tempting but wont have the value of a name brand unless done by one of the well known gunsmiths. A compromise between a full production gun and a semi custom might be a Les Baer. I have several basic Kimbers and think they are great for the cost. I also have a Baer, Brown, and Wilson. As the cost goes up, you can notice the additional attention is fitting and finish.
 
I saw and handled a brand new Ed Brown last week. I'm not a 1911 fanatic but it was absolutely "wow"! I couldn't believe how nice the trigger was.
 
I have several custom handguns and I don't know any 'smiths that can build a custom 1911 from scratch for $1200. Not today anyway, maybe 25 years ago. Since the old adage that you get what you pay for is very very true, I'd be checking around and speaking to people that he's built guns for to see what they have to say about his work. Also, I've never heard anything about Bul using the same slides as Kimber and Springfield, especially since Kimber and Springfield make their own frames and slides. Springfield imported Buls for a while so maybe that's where he's getting that from.

A couple of examples of reasonably priced custom guns are Clark Meltdown custom built from scratch using a Caspian frame and slide, they start at $2495 and that's an excellent price for a hand built gun.
Also, I'm currently having a 1911 built buy a talented young local gunsmith that I trust, is a friend, and has worked on many guns for me. I provided a full size Colt 1991A1 .38 Super as the foundation for the build, along with a 9x23 Winchester barrel. The gun is to be set up for three calibers - 9mm, .38 Super, and 9x23. I am looking at a cost of $2000-$2500 for the build, not including the finish, I'll be having that done separately.

Caveat emptor, if something sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
 
"Custom" just means made to order.

There's no reason why a gunsmith couldn't make a "custom" 1911 with very few (if any) bells and whistles for $1,200.
 
Make sure you get a list of what that $1200 custom gun is and has had done to it.

Having crossed over to full customs, I agree with WC145. $1200 wouldn't get you a true custom, barely a "semi custom" nowadays. Full custom M1911s built-to-order are going for over 3X that much and typically more.

A lot of the costs for customs are for the time spent by a smith to hand-fit every piece on a gun together (custom parts tend to be made overlarge and need to be machined or hand-filed in order to assemble and ensure smooth & reliable function. If your base parts are going to cost ~$1200, how can your smith afford to do the labor for free?

My guess is that a "$1200 gun" will be a base gun with a reliability package done to it, not one assembled from ground-up. You better make sure of this so that you don't get sticker shock when that $1200 gun turns into a $4000 gun after you pick all your parts and features.

I am also confused about his comment about lasers giving away your position. ??? -Only if you're fighting in a fogbank... plus, that tac-light would certainly give away your position as well. -I don't use lasers, but I just think that you need to rethink that part of his comment. But I do have tritium on the front sights of my SD/HD pistols (and shotgun). Good to know where the front of your gun is pointed at, even if your batteries have died.
 
"Custom" just means made to order.

There's no reason why a gunsmith couldn't make a "custom" 1911 with very few (if any) bells and whistles for $1,200.
If you're giving a 'smith a decent gun to build on I can see getting away with a budget build for $1200 (on top of the original cost for the gun) and having a real nice gun to show for it.

And I suppose it's possible to get a 1911 scratch built for $1200 if your "order" is to use the least expensive components available with a minimum of fitting and a Krylon finish.

How does the hot rod saying go? Fast, good, or cheap - pick two, because you can't have all three.
 
"...he's been around for 50 years... "

If you mean he has been smithing for 50 years, I can understand the $ figure. He has made his money and is now in a comfortable place. The lure of $$$ is not there for him. So he can make a good product and sell it at a fair price. As far as where the parts come from, does anyone besides Ruger, make thier own frames and slides. (Not to sidetrack this thread so let's carry thart question to a new thread.)
 
Ah - the custom 1911 temptation...also known as your new addiction and money pit. I started my first custom 1911 project back in the mid-90s when there were not nearly as many bell and whistle 1911s on the shelves as there are now and the ones that were on the shelves packed an impressive price tag.

My initial plan was to build a Combat Commander in .45 with just a few mods to make it a little easier to shoot and 100% reliable with my favorite carry ammo of the time which was a 200gr +p using Speer's massively wide-mouthed flying ashcan hollowpoint - great bullet in terms of reliable expansion but it was often known to cause FTF issues at the time due to its feed profile.

Anyway, I eventually picked up a new Colt 1991 Commander model and the basic plan was trigger job, throat and polish the chamber, polish the feed ramp...maybe add new sights. Then I started looking at the section for 1911 parts in the Brownells catalog. Note: looking at the Brownells catalog is always an extremely dangerous activity and if you have any plans of maintaining any kind of checking account balance should likely be avoided at all costs.

I will shorten this post greatly by skipping even an abbreviated version of the rest of story and go to the end result. The pistol which was once a plain Jane 1991 Commander now has two (yes, two...as in 2) parts left from the factory -- the slide and the frame. The slide now has front slide serrations, a nicely lowered and fared ejection port, has been carry beveled, had the breach face polished and now sports Novak low mounts on the rear with a Novak cross dovetailed front sight that was trimmed down to perfectly sight in the pistol for my carry ammo. It is also now brushed hard chrome.

The frame...hand checkered front strap, beveled mag well, cut for a Brown memory groove beavertail grip safety, carry bevel, feed ramp mirror polished, also refinished in brushed hard chrome.
A partial list of the parts which were all hand fit and tuned for this particular slide and frame (I am going with a partial list as I doubt I can remember all of them at this point without have to look some of them up on my computer):
Match grade barrel and bushing (throated and polished for 200gr jhp)
Brown Tactical thumb safety
Brown Grip safety
Brown hardcore extractor
Brown hardcore slide stop
Nowlin TiN coated matched hammer and sear (gold TiN for increased lubricity and wear resistance...it was only available in gold TiN at the time - this wasn't for looks but performance)
C&S TiN coated series 80 drop safety components
TiN coated hammer pin and sear pin
EGW firing pin stop
Brown firing pin
EGW ejector
Brown mag release
Brown mainspring housing (original MS housing was polymer)
Videki Skeletonized Speed Trigger (yes, an actual Videki...not "Videki-style")
Titanium hammer strut
Titanium mainspring cap
Clark Custom 4-leaf Sear Spring
All other springs are Wolff Gunsprings
Custom Torx headed TiN grip screws (to match the hammer and other TiN coated parts of course)
Custom full length one-piece guide rod
Ebony double diamond grips
Four Wilson 8 round 1911 mags
Four stainless Metalform 7 round 1911 mags with deburred, mirror polished tubes and followers, Wolff +5% mag springs and custom baseplates.
Everything custom fit, deburred, mirror polished and tuned.

Every thing about the pistol fits my hand perfectly. It shoots like a dream...and the cost was only a small fortune. lol - this is where the road leads when you take that first dedicated step to a custom built 1911. I can't say I regret it... even if there were probably a lot of other things I could have done with $3,982 and change (not adjusted for inflation - that was in 1998 or so dollars).
 
I forgot to include the mandatory "yes it really does exist" picture for the pistol I described hereinabove.

It is the top one in the pic - the others are my other semi-custom 1911s (which are in various levels of completion)...as if a custom 1911 project is actually ever "completed". lol...that is almost like saying "my gun collection is finally completed" as both statements are clearly nothing more than mythical concepts which only exist in some other vaguely defined parallel universe. :)


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You've held guns in his shop. You must be satisfied with their appearance and fit. As someone else suggested, ask if you can contact previous customers. If you can, do and see how happy they are.

Other than that, the only suggestion I would make is. Consider an Officer Frame with a Commander length slide. It's easier to conceal the barrel's length.

Let us know when you order it.. and then post pictures. :)
 
My gunsmith makes custom 1911's starting at $1200.
I didn't notice this the first time. "Starting at..." are dangerous words. I'd still like to see the OP come back and post a list of parts & services that you'll get in a $1200 gun.
 
Yes he showed me several as I mentioned, the one thing I didn't care for was that you couldn't select the finish, "at least we never spoke about it" I had just asked "are they all like this with the stainless upper and blued lower" to which he said yes, but he then showed me two or 3 lowers that were aluminum and titanium, aside from the stainless. They were a different finish. But all had this Bull "whatever", written on the slide, "and 10x gunsmithing on the other, which I asked if they all came like this, and he said yes. I would not want my slide covered with writing, so that's a deal breaker, I am sure it would cost more to have that milled off.
He has a "real" machine shop on premise with everything necessary to build whatever he chooses.
I have a feeling that if you deviate from the basic gun as you guys said, the price skyrockets, his two buddies showed me theirs, and they were indeed different. At least I got a chance to talk to him for a while, up till now he has just replaced and pinned night sights on an EMP for me. And I have someone on "Buds", and many others, approved list to do transfers for 30 bucks, which is impossible where I am.
 
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