CZ-75 - Need Snap Caps to Dry-Fire?

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Just picked up a bunch of toys today - including a CZ-75 SP-01. However, the pistol came with a snap cap and replacement "primer replacements". Do I really need these to dry fire? I thought you only needed snap caps for rimfire...

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I always use snap caps, real ones like azoom not the junky ones from CZ. Firing pins should have something to strike. I would hate to have a firing pin snap one day when I needed it because I didn't use a snapper.

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cant hurt to have snap caps...

dry firing wont hurt it but why take a risk?

i use tipton snapcaps, they are plastic with a brass base and spring loaded primer.

works decently, but I prefer the A-Zoom ones.
 
I've dry fired my SP-01 thousands of times without snap caps with no issue.
 
Firing pins need something to arrest their forward motion. The primer usually does that. In the absence of that, the firing pin will slam against whatever forward retainer is designed into the pistol's slide. This *can* cause damage to the retainer and/or the firing pin itself.

In the case of the CZ, the retainer is a roll pin laying transversely across the slide. Up until a handful of years ago, that was a single-wall roll pin. It had a tendency to break if the use dry-fired too much without a snap-cap in place to keep the firing pin from beating against the roll pin.

CZ now uses a double roll pin to help keep dry-firing from breaking the pin. CZ also includes a couple of snap-caps and replacement inserts with every new pistol. That is a clue.

CZ wants you to use snap caps to ensure that you have a reliable pistol that does not suffer from premature parts breakage.
 
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I never understand why this debate comes up. Good snap caps (a zoom and the like) are dirt cheap insurance against damage to your expensive firearm.

So you save a few dollars by not buying snap caps... penny wise, pound foolish in my book.
 
ZeSpectre,

I find it impossible to practice with snap caps, I practice how I shoot, which means I am often practicing shooting from reset, which means they go flying. At one time I had over 20 snap caps, I think I have around 8 at the moment, the rest are lost under furniture in the various rooms that I have used for dry firing.

Safe Action type guns also have this issue as you have to cock the gun after every firing.
 
Rbernie

has it right. BUt here is the problem with Snap Caps...

Azooms are pretty good, but because of the hammer setup on a CZ, and ESPECIALLY with the stock springs, even the Azoom cap only lasts about 100-200 strikes. You can get more with a lighter hammer spring. You only get 5 in a pack and most shops charge $17 a pack. (I know one that sells them for $13, but never have 9mm - go figure).

Traditions and some others have a spring loaded 'primer' and they last a little longer, but they leave little pieces of brass in your weapon. (You can clean this up, but it makes you clean MUCH more often).

The perfect solution would be for someone to make an Azoom type cap with replaceable 'primers', or a Traditions cap, with Azoom type polymer for the 'primer'. CZ should then supply these.

I suppose SIGs are the same way.

(BTW, the SA XD won't ding up the Azoom primer nearly as bad - the primer lasts forever, but they do chew up the snap cap 'mouth' and become useless after about 100-150 snaps.
 
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Quote: cant hurt to have snap caps...

dry firing wont hurt it but why take a risk?

i use tipton snapcaps, they are plastic with a brass base and spring loaded primer.

works decently, but I prefer the A-Zoom ones.
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I practice how I shoot, which means I am often practicing shooting from reset, which means they go flying.
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My CZ can reset the FCG without needing to move the slide one iota. Dunno why yours don't.
 
My CZ can reset the FCG without needing to move the slide one iota. Dunno why yours don't.
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If all you want to do is double action you can, but if you are practicing single action trigger, you have to cycle the slide to do the reset for the next pull. I am also talking about the trigger reset point, which is barely a half a centimeter from the break point.
 
If all you want to do is double action you can, but if you are practicing single action trigger, you have to cycle the slide to do the reset for the next pull.
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Unless you have a CZ100, you know you can just thumb the hammer back.
 
Easy

Don't waste your money on snap caps.

Take a piece of paper, fold it up into a little square, wedge it in the back of the slide.

Some people also use O-rings to good effect.
 
Unless you have a CZ100, you know you can just thumb the hammer back.
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Sigh I am talking about the single action reset point, in order to thumb the hammer back you have to release the trigger, thumb it back and then pull the trigger back.

Instead pull the trigger, hold it, cycle the slide and slowly let the trigger back, you will hear a click, that's the reset point for single action. There is no other way to practice that but cycling the slide.
 
Instead pull the trigger, hold it, cycle the slide and slowly let the trigger back, you will hear a click, that's the reset point for single action. There is no other way to practice that but cycling the slide.
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Sigh, I've always been more concerned with proper trigger pull than with reset. The only reason I can fathom for mastering the trigger reset is for rapid-fire shooting, which you cannot practice by manually racking the slide anyway. If you feel that such practice is meaningful, than more power to you.
 
The only reason I can fathom for mastering the trigger reset is for rapid-fire shooting, which you cannot practice by manually racking the slide anyway. If you feel that such practice is meaningful, than more power to you.
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Rapid fire shooting? If it's accurate what does it matter if you are shooting fast. Part of shooting fast is knowing how to best work the trigger when you want to do a double tap (two shots one sight picture), or a dedicated pair (two shots two sight pictures). There are quite a few schools that teach you to master the trigger reset as part of both carbine and pistol defensive shooting.
 
Rapid fire shooting? If it's accurate what does it matter if you are shooting fast. Part of shooting fast is knowing how to best work the trigger when you want to do a double tap (two shots one sight picture), or a dedicated pair (two shots two sight pictures). There are quite a few schools that teach you to master the trigger reset as part of both carbine and pistol defensive shooting.
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This is thread is getting off track. Still, learning double taps and controlled pairs is best done with live ammo. If you feel that manually racking the slide prepares you, than, again, more power to you.
 
If it didn't then schools wouldn't be teaching it. For most people the idea of keeping the trigger pressed after the shot is foreign to them, you have to train that out of them, it's a lot cheaper to do that dry firing.
 
I contacted CZ-USA regarding this very issue and received the following response:

Buster_NW: "Does CZ recommend using a snap-cap type device, or is it okay to dry-fire the 40-P? Thank you."

CZ-USA: "It's ok to dryfire." - Brian W., CZ-USA

I'll follow Corporate's advice.
-Buster
 
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