CZ 75 v Glock 17: which one is more accurate?

[PO2Hammer]

Not all guns are more accurate than the shooters. I've owned two dogs that I could out shoot at 25 yards. A 2nd gen G-24 with mis-matched barrel, slide, frame and an early 3rd gen G-35. Neither would group well at 25 yards from my hands, our club's IDPA champ (a dedicated Glock guy) or from a rest. 5" was the best either one would do.

But in general it's true that it's the archer, not the bow.

As far as Glock VS CZ, once I did a trigger job on the CZ, it was very easy to shoot 2" groups at 25 yards when I was having a good day.

Glock triggers were much harder for me to master, but again, when I was dialed in I could do amazing things with my 17L. Even my G-19 shot very well at 25 yards once I installed Heinie sights.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Too subjective of a topic. The accuracy potential is going to be directly affected by the shooter. If shooter A sucks, an accurate pistol won't help, but a good shooter can find his way around an inaccurate pistol.

I did not vote, this el Godfathers goofiest poll to date.

 

[GregGry]

The group size is an addition of #1 and #2. No matter how bad the shooter is, all other factors equal, they will be a little better with a more accurate firearm

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Lets say the average gun is capable of shooting 2 inch groups at 25 yards, yet the average shooter is only capable of shooting greater then 8 inch groups at 25 yards if they are lucky. the affect of one guns mechanical accuracy over another is a moot point and would be almost impossible to determin from shot spread pattern from people offhand shooting. Even if the shot group went from 8 inches to 6 inches due to increased mechanical accuracy, they still arent shooting near the capability of the gun.

There are videos of guys shooting box stock pistols and cheap ammo at 150 to 230 yards and hitting targets. Your average shooter can't do that. The average pistols mechanical accuracy far exceeds the ability of the shooter, and in most cases with modern pistols plays a insignificant role in how well someone shoots a pistol. Which is why I laugh at how my xdm has a "match" barrel which some say is more accurate then my glock barrel, yet I shoot both of them about the same and couldn't tell you which one is more mechanically accurate. I can tell you that I can't shoot either one as good as my cheap Taurus 44 mag revolver due to its long sight radius and light trigger. Yet the mechanical accuracy of all 3 is likely very close.


Edit: in my experience I have never seen someone put a same size aftermarket barrel in a pistol that was supposedly "match grade" shoot any better then the stock barrel.

 

[m39nut]

As an fairly experienced shooter, the CZ is more accurate but I can shoot both reasonbly well. My wife, on the other hand, can shoot the CZ OK but can't hit anything with the Glock, so the Glock went away.

 

[armoredman]

I qualified Expert or Distinguished Expert with the Glock pistol for ten years, but I far prefer my CZ SP-01 Phantom. I shoot better with either it or my CZ P-01 pistol than any Glock. I've had more Glocks fail in my hand than CZs, as well. 10 CZ pistols so far, and all of then worked just fine...with the notable exception of the CZ -100. That trigger was unbelievably bad, one reason why it is no longer listed.
It really comes down to the shooter. As pointed out earlier, I shoot my CZ well enough to be happy with it, but Dave Sevigny of Team Glock is going to make me look like I started shooting yesterday and am currently carrying a water pistol. On the other hand Robin Sebo of Team CZUB, who used an SP-01 Shadow and won the Florida Open 2012 Production Division, could outshoot me with my issued duty Glock 17 any day of the week, AND twice on Sunday.
I prefer CZ, as in my PERSONAL HANDS ON EXPERIENCE, (you have to highlight that, or the screams of "FAN BOY" come as shrilly as listening to a Democratic National Convention), I have had more failures with Glock products than CZ products, and tend to shoot CZ products better than Glock products. Both are good solid durable weapons, or neither company would likely have the military contracts they both hold, and with the Glock 20 year lead on CZUB, the current Glock stranglehold on US police department inventories.
Off on the side, has anyone seen that Stage 3 malfunction that New York PD was complaining about with the G-19, so mad they almost went with Ruger? I never saw one in any G-19 I used, just curious.

 

[sigarms228]

"The gun is more accurate than the shooter", is probably true, but not really relevant to the question.

No shooter, olympic level or not, could ever truly maximize the accuracy potential of a gun.

Group dispersion will be an addition of error from two sources assuming environmental variations such as wind, etc, are removed:

1) The mechanical accuracy of the equipment fired from a perfect rest (zero shooter error) all group spread comes from inconsistencies in the gun and ammo.

2) Shooter error... there will always be some, regardless of how good the shooter is. This would be measured independently by having the shooter shoot a laser beam offhand from X yards, and the group size is the error induced by the shooter.... (zero variation in the equipment).

The group size is an addition of #1 and #2. No matter how bad the shooter is, all other factors equal, they will be a little better with a more accurate firearm.

I think what people mean to say with statements like "the gun is more accurate than I am" is that #2 is usually a lot bigger than #1, especially with a pistol fired offhand, and therefore #1 is not much of a factor when evaluating the practical accuracy of handguns. Which is true. But it is always still a factor; just one of many.

AGREED and well said.

I have known people who had their factory barrel replaced on their pistol with a fitted Barsto barrel and NOTHING else done to the pistol with the result being they were able to consistently shoot better groups. These individuals, while good shooters, could not shoot to the potential accuracy of the pistol offhand but they were extremely please with their investment and better results.

 

[sixgunner455]

Glocks shoot okay. Trigger is annoying, and the trigger guard rubs my finger raw.

CZ 75 feels like it was made for my hand, and the triggers can be fantastic. The one on my 75B SA is.

That said, I mostly carry S&W revolvers.